What does it really mean if Obama wins?

By Ron Hamman
Religion Views
Published on Monday, October 20, 2008 10:23 PM AKDT

There is no doubt that in the hearts and minds of professing Christianity, this presidential election represents a pivotal point in our country’s history, and rightly so. Never before has so much that is counted fundamental been on the line. After so many years of fighting against the Roe v. Wade decision, a second front has opened up along the marriage border and the homosexual hordes threaten to invade. Thus to many, a Democratic victory this election cycle spells the potential end to decades of work intended to restore our nation to its Christian moorings.

But have you ever contemplated what this really means? Just off the cuff, I can think of several things. First off, I am a firm believer that God is the one who sets up kings, and who brings them down. Thus, I believe that God will be giving America the president she deserves this Nov. 4.

Secondly, I recall that God was willing to spare Sodom if he could just find 10 righteous people, and for some reason Abraham seemed confident that there should be at least that many. What does this say about America?

And thirdly, since we are thinking about Sodom, what about Lot? He had been content to ignore the wickedness around him for the sake of prosperity, but when the time came for him to sound the alarm, his pleas fell on deaf ears. While he was righteous, he did not live righteously. What does this say about Christianity?

But I wonder even further if we have ever really thought about what God thinks. Is God really as concerned with our causes as much as our lives?

I am thinking this morning about that oft-quoted verse, II Chronicles 7:14: “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”

I wonder this morning if there are any who really believe this verse that gives them so many goosebumps when they hear it. While their eyes roll back in their head as they mystically seek God’s face and pray, where are the humility and the turning from their wicked ways?

We live in an era where most are too arrogant to submit their lives to the scrutiny of God’s Word, preferring instead to let their feelings dictate what is right for them. Then when it comes to turning from their wicked ways, there is nothing wrong.

And then there is Matthew 5:13: “Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.”

Here is another verse that I wonder how many really believe. The problem with it is that most fail to consider the gravity of what is being said. The audience that Jesus delivered this to was 100-percent Jewish, and they, as God’s chosen people, were supposed to be the salt of the world. This passage is not for Gentile Christianity by origin, but by default. And unless we realize that the Jewish peoples have very literally been cast out and trodden under foot of men for the last 1,900 plus years, we will be lulled into believing that it could never happen to us. Perhaps we already are.

And understand this too: Savourless salt is determined by lack of results. Just take an honest look around you and tell me just how much of a preservative effect the church is having on this country. The truth is that much of professing Christianity has spent the last 50 years seeing just how close to the world they could get in an effort to make Christianity more palatable, and now we are reaping the results.

We have become so earthly minded that we are no heavenly good. Trust not in those who say to you that you can be so heavenly minded that you are no earthly good, for this is a lie. I say unto you, unless you are heavenly minded, you will be no earthly good. And God says that to be carnally minded is death (Romans 8:6).

Folks, it is time for American Christianity to take a long and sobering look at itself, and for this Obama may just be God’s motivation to do just that.

Ron Hamman is pastor for Independent Baptist Church of Wasilla. Contact him at 357-4229.

Comments

120 comment(s)

    historyforgotten wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:28 PM:

    " How many Christians have read the Book of Enoch, or the Book of Jubilees? Even though Jesus taught, these were good books, very few people have read them. The Early Roman Catholic Church tried to ban these books, even though Jesus taught from them. Why, you might ask? Because they countered what Paul was tring to preach. Wouldn't it be funny, if real Christians started to seperate from Paulians. Paul taught war is OK, when Jesus taught to embrace your enemy with Love. Paul teaches to erradicate all other religions, Jesus teaches Love them anyways. "

    historyforgotten wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:18 PM:

    " When the Founding Fathers put 'Freedom of Religion' in the Constitution, they meant ALL religions, because whether Christians like it or not, Paganism was a brood belief in New America, until Christians began to torture and kill non-believers. A tactic, the early Romans used on Jesus' disiples, as well as the Nazis used on the Jews. But America was founded on personal freedom, which includes ALL Beliefs. Besides, Palin was blessed by a Pagan 'Preacher' who used an ancient Egyptian Blessing where Isis, Osiris, and Horus were replaced with the Father Son and Holy Ghost. Read Your History first. "

    Spankles wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:29 AM:

    " they used our hip-hop loving youth to plant thier sleeper cell. "

    Hey Spankles wrote on Nov 5, 2008 5:37 AM:

    " Canada is more enlightened than we are - generally speaking... I doubt they'd want a neanderthal-of-a-rightwinger like you! Also, don't Repubs rip Canada for their compassion? I believe you call that SOCIALISM! If a right-winger wants to live abroad, perhaps a theocracy (that means a country governed on religious convictions in case you didn't know since you read nothing other than the bible) would fit you. You know what I mean... a place where if you don't agree with the national religion, you're ridiculed! You belong in a place with like-minded, intolerant people. BON VOYAGE! "

    Hey Spankles wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:06 PM:

    " We lived the second dark ages.. they were during G.W.'s reign. This means no more consumer protection agencies headed by big business heads looking out for the almighty buck rather than PEOPLE! No more prince of darkness Cheney and Dubya and their fear mongering... but total rejection of hyper-religious ignorance (Spankles, the dark ages were about religious fanatics and their rejection of intelligence, science and knowledge... sounds a little like ignorant Palin too - doesn't it?). So, read something other than the bible - like a HISTORY BOOK - and keep your ignorance to yourself! "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:17 PM:

    " In bar. Pulse of humanity heading towards somewhere inner city. Throngs in the street all in one direction. Back in Hotel room to grab last bottle of champagne and see where everyone's going. Much happiness. "

    Spankles wrote on Nov 4, 2008 7:31 PM:

    " Obama lovers are dancing in the streets. Are you happy now? No more complaining about racism now. I'm moving to Canada for 4 years. "

    wrkgmom.mn wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:23 PM:

    " Fox News?!?!? Lol! Now we know how Palin got her smarts, eh Spankles?! Lol! Wow.........
    She remains a total embarrassment to Women.. She can fool some of the Let's Get Our Info From Fox News You Betcha (ugh! Lol!) ...Extreeeeeme fundamental crazy ranting network for let's not get educated okeeee dokey people) no doubt, but we could see through her winki-wink-no-nothin' you betcha Act the minute she hit the lower 48. ByeBye Palin Pain. We'd rather see T. Fey as VP then Palin! At least she's educated. "

    Spankles wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:31 PM:

    " I saw two Black Panther members intimidating white voters on Fox news. This is a nightmare. "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Nov 4, 2008 6:22 AM:

    " He's not anti-gun. He wants more responsible checks and stuff, but he's not anti-gun. Tell ya what...Obama wouldn't be getting the support here where I'm working in Philly today if he were anti-gun. These are gun people! A guy working the machines was even shot right outside last year. Needless to say I've been assigned a tough poll to monitor. "

    Bye wrote on Nov 3, 2008 5:14 PM:

    " Karin: Come on now, you ran off the "Salvadorian" gangs as you called them in your diggersrealm blog. What did you do? Bad mouth the Govenor, or Mayor and tell them they were the Meth Gang Capitol of America? You and MADMAXX came to the Alaska media to tell your democratic lies because you know a lot of voters have taken interest here. Give them some credit, they're smarter than you think. By the way your Obama is going to want some more tax money of that $250,000 townhouse you sold. Bye again. "

    Your wrong again wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:57 PM:

    " MADMAXX your wrong again. Go to NRA page or read their magazines. Obama is anti gun all the way. Threw in a token vote to go from a F rating to a D- score. He and other democrats will needle away at certain guns until people are left with pea shooters. Your the one who nees to do research and stop limiting your self to liberal news. You would be one to turn yours in for exchange of one of Obamas peanut butter sandwiches. "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:56 AM:

    " jp ...hang in. Either candidate is step up from Bush. Whoever wins this has a huge task in trying to help average Americans get a better footing. Don't sacrafice good for perfect. Who cares more about the commoners...self made man...or guy w/ $100M sugar mommy?

    In Philly. Carload of folding chairs & post Halloween candy purchased on sale. Assigned a polling station in democratic neighborhood. Going to do my best to make sure no matter how long lines get I keep as many voters in the game as possible. "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:46 AM:

    " To Jamie "In 2006 Obama voted in FAVOR of the Vitter Amendment to prohibit the confiscation of lawful firearms during an emergency or major disaster. Measure passed 84-16." He's not taking guns away from anyone. I keep posting fact. You guys on the right keep posting opinions and garbage. When will it sink in that you've bought into BS you've been fed. Google. Do some research. "

    Karin Byars wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:32 AM:

    " BYE:
    Since you know everything about me you should also know that I am working hard to make my home of choice a desirable (democratic) town and state again. And yes, I still have all my money because I knew the stockmarket was too good to last so I bought dirt, good old Georgia clay, nice and close to Atlanta.

    I have nothing to hide and I would think I could serve as an example for Republicans who are entering their Identy crisis by now. My judgment has served me well, try it on for size. "

    Karin Byars wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:19 AM:

    " BYE:
    I left Fairfax because venture capital ate my job and I made a quarter million taxfree profit on my townhouse since the neighborhood was no longer drug infested thanks to my efforts, I ran the drugdealers off. They are also the reason I have guns. You see, not everything is black and white, I am as liberal as they come but I will not turn my world over to the criminal element without a fight, whether the criminals profit from drugs or politics. I am realistic, passionate and honest. are you? "

    Bye wrote on Nov 2, 2008 2:11 PM:

    " Bye Karin: You and others are welcome to come back to Wasilla. That is if you leave your mean and slanderous remarks about our town and Governor behind. Crime is everywhere in the world. Some places worse than others. Isn't that why you left Fairfax, VA? A decision is coming very soon and the attacks will slow down. There will still be problems. We will continue to make this a great community as you do in yours. It starts with you and me. McCain/Palin 08. "

    Jamie wrote on Nov 2, 2008 7:59 AM:

    " Watch out for MADMAXX and Karin. They'll take your guns. They preach the same sing song as Obama. Visit NRA website if you have doubts. Civilian National Security??? We already have a Coast Guard, Army Guard, Air Guard, local police, troopers, fire depts., etc. Why would we need this? Think long term about your vote. Without your right to defend you might not be able to keep your right to vote. "

    Karin Byars wrote on Nov 2, 2008 4:18 AM:

    " To all, well, nearly all!

    I am bowing out, y'all are getting to nasty. I can tolerate the occassional fanatic but not a house full.

    I came here to get a read on Palin, I got that. I have had some fun, met some nice people but now I am done.

    jp - sometimes we have to work with what we have to preserve our sanity. "

    Independent wrote on Nov 2, 2008 12:29 AM:

    " The Drudge Report has a link to YouTube in which the messiah Obama states he will create a Civilian National Security Force "as powerful,strong and well funded"as our military.With strong Democratic majorities in congress.it should be no problem to create a force of Brown Shirts whose authority will supercede that of our local and state police. This election will polarize America as never before.The Obamanistas clearly have no respect for America or our constiution.Obama is a marxist and will use his Gestapo to intimidate and supress voices of opposition to his agenda.America does not need a dictator disguised as CHANGE. "

    Observer wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:59 PM:

    " The Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama vows to create a Civilian National Security Force "as powerful,strong and well funded"as our rgular American military.Why? In our history we have never needed one before.Such a force would supercede local and state police forces in authority and impose upon us the"unpopular choices"Joe Biden promises in 2009 by a plnned 'international crisis' Obama is on record for the"fairness doctrine"to muzzle disent and will work quickly to impose draconian gun control. measures with a UN trety that will supercede our constitution.Obama will use his handpicked storm troopers against those who oppose his Marxist ageda.Think then vote. "

    JM wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:49 PM:

    " Hey MUFFIN, this is not the chatter in Alaska. It is the chatter on this Alaskan newspaper's web-site primarily consisting from folks who live outside Alaska. Mainly people like you who googled Wasilla news just to post BS on a site where Palin was from. Thanks to Palin, your time and people like you, has been wasted monitoring this small newspaper when we could have been doing something more productive. The problem with the "DEAR LEADER'S" supporters is where they get their info, from BSNBC and their fellow idiot friend who is on welfare. OBAMA=BIGgovernment=WELFARE=LIES=HIGHERtaxes=LESSfreedoms=ANTI-AMERICA=END-OF-THE-UNITED-STATES-OF-AMERICA. "

    JM wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:34 PM:

    " Obama's birth certificate?? Oh yeah, the LA TIMES has it, along with the video tape and they refuse to release it. Says something about the media. Dude, you gotta stop putting your foot in your mouth there MAXXCAN'T, you're starting to sound like BIDEN. I'll make sure to get my info from the NY TIMES like you, we all know how so unbiased they are. Not too bright this one. You try to sound bright but you aren't. Obama is a terrorist, a liar and a piece of garbage. NO-BAMA 08 "

    jp wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:33 PM:

    " to Max and Karin;
    my whole point to this election is that we, the commoners, are the only ones getting thrown under the bus, because we do not have a good choice for our president.
    Every election our choices worsen, the candidates integrity worsens and degreades.
    perhaps one day we "the people" will stand up to this yet again, and take our country back.
    i hope this movement comes soon, as i wish for my children to have a better life, than our current government can provide. "

    JM wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:27 PM:

    " If you were REALLY edumacated there MAXXCAN'T, you'd know that those so called tax policies and promised tax breaks for the middle class are bogus!! Complete lies. Just because you found some info on a dot com from some so called "non-partisan" tax policy center doesn't make it fact. You of all people (so educated and all) should know that. All Obama does is lie and it is very sad and you will find out very soon if he gets elected. So so so sad. You are dumb just to believe that BS. bsbsbsbsbsbsbsbsbsbsbsbsbsbsbs "

    muffin wrote on Nov 1, 2008 7:22 PM:

    " Sorry,but 2 Timothy verse 3:16 tells you plainly that there is only interpretation of God's Word, and that's HIS. We have all gone our own way, and think we know best, but in the process we have left behind the real truths. As far as Abortion is concerned, Demcrats do not want Abortion anymore than Republican, and I have a solution----- For every Woman that wants an abortion, a man should be along side her getting a vasectomy. Men should be more responsible.! "

    muffin wrote on Nov 1, 2008 7:03 PM:

    " If this is the chatter in Alaska, I think it might be better if you recall your Governer and her husband and make use of the AIP and ceceed from the Union. You are all jumping the gun, and seem very unhappy, so that's my suggestion. "

    Even more cont. wrote on Nov 1, 2008 4:25 PM:

    " Year 2009: Obama/Biden/Pelosi Tri-Democrat Party overthrown in mock election! Stunned by landslide 86%-14% loss dispite Dept. of Acorn predictions! United States ceceeds from United National Govt. and re forms! Maxx/Karin run for Resistance Party while McCain?Palin go on world travel tour encouraging Freedom, Liberty and Justice for all! THE END!
    ps - For Now "

    More cont. wrote on Nov 1, 2008 4:12 PM:

    " Govt. increases media control! TV newspaper, radio now run by govt. departments! Big Brother regulating editorial and blog pages. Arresting resistors and reducing welfare checks to family members! Give incentives to turn in opposition forces! Maxx and Karin come out of hiding and join Resistance Party! Even more Obama supporters join resistance! Ask for forgivness! True HOPE and Change returns through growth of remaining Free Thinking Men and Women of the Resistance! McCain and Palin escape from Resistance Suppression Camp and fight for Resistance Party. "

    laura wrote on Nov 1, 2008 4:07 PM:

    " THANK GOD OBAMA IS GOING TO WIN OR WE WOULD ALL BE SCREWED! "

    Cont. wrote on Nov 1, 2008 4:00 PM:

    " Price of goods increases as no American competition! Energy prices rise do to expensive alternate energy costs! Oil industry jobs, services, and exploration decreases! Petroteum produced products/plastics heavily taxed and difficult/expensive to find! Mental depression increases due to loss of HOPE! Increase in crime, murder and theft! Brother against brother! Still no sigh of Maxx or Karin or other democrat supporters! One World United Nations run Govt. continues global takeover. HOPE lives only in those who did not bury their values in the sand! The Resistance begins its growth! "

    If Obama wins wrote on Nov 1, 2008 3:50 PM:

    " A even more divided country! Constitutional Rights attacked! Only crooks/gangs with guns! Several Americans patroits killed/jailed defending their 2nd ammendment rights! Jobs lost! Wealthy will find other ways to protect their hard/smart earned money! More money going overseas! China will own even more of our National Parks! A weak military inviting terrorist attacks! People looking for a Govt. check to pay credit! College enrollment down after figuring it doesn't pay to work hard. Maxx/Karin and dem voters go into hiding due to shame of Obama support. "

    muffin wrote on Nov 1, 2008 3:29 PM:

    " Far too much VENOIM on this blog. If there's one person who has shown civility, it's Obama. Let me remind you all, He (God) has the whole world in His Hands. And remember again we all came into this world the same way, yet with the POWER of CHOICE., and WE are ALL God.s Children. If you make it to heaven , you will be very suprised , some of those folks you seem to hate will be there. "

    muffin wrote on Nov 1, 2008 3:19 PM:

    " Thank you Pastor Hammon for your words of common sense. The folks out there are all "ASSUMING" We have this moment, not days or years ahead, but in the blinking of an eye things could change for all of us. None of you know the mind of God, this World is not perfect, no one is except God , but you keep taking things out of the BIBLE and out of context.. 13th Chapter of Corinthians should be read by all of you, and then tell me have you all done what isRight.GiveGodachancetosortthisout!!!!!!!! "

    Karin Byars wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:08 PM:

    " to Maxcatt:
    1. Thanks for bringing up McCain's place of birth. I has really irked me that this has not been more of an issue.
    2. About jp - he is the original nay sayer. He sees the downside of everything. He is probabaly an interesting character. Too bad Man in trees is already on TV. Go see him and tell us about him.
    3.You and the NYT are correct McCain does well with under-achievers, North Georgia (my home of choice) and Alaska are both full of them. I am shunned because of my Obamasigns "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:10 AM:

    " ...Now interestingly, McCain was born in Panama, so technically one could challenge his eligibility. I have heard an independent legal analysis that verified this, but also said that clearly the laws intent would not be to prevent someone like McCain from running. If someone were to challenge, this analyst suggested, there would be a bipartisan congressional effort to keep McCain on the ballot. But...again, if you want to play elligibilty games it's McCain who's on the least firm ground. CHECK IT: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:05 AM:

    " For those questioning the birth certificate posted on Obama's website, a couple things. Let's explore with logic. To believe the birth certificate posted is a fraud means you think Hillary & the Republican machine were both too incompetent to explore this & easily have Obama knocked out way before this point. Think about it. One legal challenge, and all this expensive struggle would be over. Why hasn't this happened? Because it's a hoax and there's nothing to it. "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Nov 1, 2008 8:59 AM:

    " JP my pal...Agreed, there's no telling the future with regards to who actually will do what, or get what tax stuff thru congress. All we can go on right now is their plan. I posted an indepent analysis showing most American's will benefit under Obama's plan. That's all we have to go on right now. "

    jp to max katt wrote on Oct 31, 2008 9:59 PM:

    " max old chum, you know , as well as I, it doesn't matter whose tax plan is better than the others.
    because it will never get past the senate, or house, without getting hammered with earmarks, or changes to the original structure. this is a game for these worthless freaks who get elected into office.
    i'm sure that when they are initially elected, they want to do for their constituents, the deeds that they are urged to support, but greed and power tend to overcome the humbleness of goodness.
    lets make sure this doesn't happen! "

    To MAXKATT wrote on Oct 31, 2008 12:25 PM:

    " and the rest of the "progressives", spew all the figures you like. What I would like to see is a certified copy of Obamas birth, not the phony, altered copy on his web site. He just got back from Hawaii last week, while there he had the governor seal it. If he is a citizen why is he afraid to show proof? It's a sad day in this country when voters would rather see someone's private medical records over proof of citizenship. So "Vote Early and Vote Often"! "

    MAXKATT fromNY wrote on Oct 31, 2008 10:11 AM:

    " Independent analyses of the presidential candidates’ tax proposals show those making less than $250k a year would NOT see taxes raised under Senator Barack Obama’s plan. Further, Mr. Obama would generally cut taxes MORE than McCain would for households w/ incomes less than $100k a yr. McCain would cut taxes generally on par w/ Mr. Obama for those making $100 to $250 a yr, but those making $250k a year & above would typically pay less in taxes under Mr. McCain. =Analysis conducted by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Oct 31, 2008 7:01 AM:

    " JM...again, I direct you to the link I supplied demostating the higher the level of education, the more likely an Obama supporter. You can BS around it all you want, but it is a fact. Look to any research. "

    BS wrote on Oct 30, 2008 11:32 PM:

    " To Hamann - How old are you? Isn't it about time you gave up your "imaginary friend"? "

    JM wrote on Oct 30, 2008 12:50 PM:

    " Oh yeah, almost forgot. I had to tell my employees yesterday that if Obama was elected i would have to scale back the business cause i wouldn't be able to afford keeping them all on full time. Maybe even close down for good. I'm willing to bet i'm not the only business owner in that position. Then we can all go on welfare and live off big government. Thank you Obama.. HALLOWEEN T-SHIRT READS-- THIS IS MY OBAMA COSTUME, NOW GIVE ME YOUR CANDY SO I CAN REDISTRIBUTE IT. LOL. "

    JM wrote on Oct 30, 2008 12:44 PM:

    " My facts straight? I think it's the other way around. Any educated person would realize that Obama is the WORST person for the job. You sound kinda sexist to assume i'm a "sir", i bet you think i'm white too??!! You just proved my point. I'll make sure to get my info from the main stream media like you, then i'll cut and paste a dot com just to be like you. OBAMA: A LIAR, AN IDIOT, A TERRORIST, he will kill this country. He already is. Not too bright are you?? "

    jp wrote on Oct 30, 2008 12:10 PM:

    " save yourself!
    vote smart!
    Vote for anyone but Osama! "

    Independent wrote on Oct 30, 2008 8:39 AM:

    " Barack Obama=Nikolai Carpathia.Think about it! "

    Observer wrote on Oct 30, 2008 8:34 AM:

    " The election of Barack Hussein Obama will be a transitional point in history for America.Change will mean a loss of constitutional rights.Obama and his democratic congress will trash our first ammendment rights through imposition of fhe"freedom doctrine"and government intimidation of disent.Biden implies a crisis early on where we will be asked to give support to things we do not like.It appears to be a set up,perhaps a prelude to martial law?Will we be asked to sacrifice our costitutional rights for"the greater good"?Obama will gut our second ammendment rights early on.Read his record. Prepare for a leftist dictatorship stealthily called"CHANGE". "

    Spankles wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:38 PM:

    " JP is my god. If Obama is elected, It will be the start of the second dark ages. Save us JP! "

    Patricia wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:07 PM:

    " I'm a Republican and in 30+ years have never voted Democrat but plan to this year. I don't like abortions either but for about 30years the Republicans never seen it important enough to change it. I am so disappointed in Palin and McCain because they keep spreading lies and telling 1/2 truths. They question Obamas Christianity but what does this say for them. They have proved to me that they can actually tell lie after lie with a straight face and I have never seen as much hate they stir up with their lies. They are insulting to my intelligence. "

    I be fer McCain wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:34 AM:

    " I am one of dem people who goed to McCain rallees... cause I don't wants Obama as president cause he's arab... and a terririst... Oh, McCain said he ain't one? Well.. I still dont like him none cause he's different-lookin'.

    - Prowd McCane Supporter "

    LOL wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:25 AM:

    " JP talks about "what our country has stooped to"... I completely agree with JP. It makes me sick that this country elected a president who is inept - for two terms... and the same party now proposes an ignorant, religious fanatic of a woman for VP - one w/the mentality of a 5th grader. This country is a mess at home and abroad.. and yet.. JP looks at the other side and says "if THEY" get in, everything will go to heck in a handbasket." You have a big set of you-know-whats, JP. "

    Poor and Uneducated wrote on Oct 29, 2008 10:11 AM:

    " "McCain does better w/ LESS educated voters"

    I heard the October surprise is, and I quote "'The Walmart woman" They were described in those terms too.."uneducated"...

    This is a demographic that holds the key to their victory..

    Gimme a break! "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:46 AM:

    " JM"s I must correct you with regards to it being "uneducated people" who believe Obama will do good for this country. Polls & studies of voter demographics have shown for months that the more highly educated the voter, the MORE likely they are to support Obama. McCain does better w/ LESS educated voters. (With that said, BO is starting to get them too) Simply fact. I'm not an "elitest" or seeking to instigate a culture war, but know your facts before you post sir. See table @ http://www.gallup.com/poll/108709/Obama-Gaining-Among-Voters-Less-Formal-Education.aspx "

    Giddyup wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:23 PM:

    " It means an end to all those so funny - truth is stranger than fiction -SNL skits. We'll have to survive on re-runs of that hilarious Couric interview and the infamous interview with Charlie Gibson. But... maybe Sarah could vie for "The Biggest Loser" "Dancing with the Stars" or better yet "Are you smarter than a 5th grader?" She is, after all, the PT Barnum of politics. "

    JM wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:56 PM:

    " What does this article have to do with politics? Obama is a liar and an embarrassment to this country. This is another example of how uneducated people really are to believe this person will do good for this country. Oh he'll bring change alright but the kind of change this world has seen before and the kind of change that will crush capitalism and small business. I am completely disgusted with Obama and the lies he spews. This country is about to die a very ugly death if he takes office. Sad!!!!!!!! "

    jp wrote on Oct 28, 2008 1:10 PM:

    " i guess we're about to find out.
    pretty depressing, what our country has stooped to, i'm certain our forefathers are rolling in their graves. "

    nikki005 wrote on Oct 27, 2008 2:36 PM:

    " To Dynahog,
    We already redistribute wealth in this country. TAXES. I have been paying taxes for the past 16 years, as soon as I was able to work.
    So I supose you are one of those coroporate welfare supporters also. Bailing out companies that don't keep jobs in our country, allowing tax shelters to the rich who could care less about harding working people.
    Textbook capitalism hasn't existed in this country in many years.
    Who's going to pay for the "economic fixes" that Mr. McCain proposes? Look in the mirror. "

    Chloe wrote on Oct 27, 2008 2:33 PM:

    " to Chloe wrote " i suppose that playing bingo 5 nights a week "just because it is a non-profit"
    makes it not gambling?

    Goodness, bingo five nights a week? I'd only read McCain has shot lots of craps and played lots of blackjack in Vegas, and was instrumental in creating the Indian Casino phenomena. Playing that much bingo I'm surprised he has time for anything else.

    Hello? Yes, churches engaged in businesses competing with lay enterprises should be taxed, but did you actually read my post? It was an actual response to Ron Hamman's article. "

    Dynahog wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:46 AM:

    " It means onset of Liberal Socialism, and a beginning of the end of Capitalism and the American Way of Life.

    October Bombshell in this 2001 Radio Interview of Obama talking about "redistribution of wealth".

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

    Joe the Plumber wasn't the first to hear it. "

    Jane Six-Pack wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:43 AM:

    " Anchorage Daily News endorses Obama... LOL Even Alaska's top newspaper snubs its nose at moronic Palin! And she's dreaming about 2012?? We knew she was clueless... but eh... she really doesn't know that she's (wink-wink) damaged goods??? And ewww do I hate that rotten Fargo-like accent... just sounds so ignorant! "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:02 AM:

    " JP...I may get up to AK. A guy in my office has been on several cruises up there and loves it. I've also got a couple friends who have done Heli-skiing in Valdez and ice climbing somewhere. I'd probably go for the fishing, and backcountry hiking/camping. Definitely would have to make a stop in Wasilla just to check it out. We'll see. Honestly, It won't be until this economy straighten's out and I feel better about my job security. "

    jp wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:50 PM:

    " certificate of live birth, or certificate of previous birth?
    this is what is in question now, and they have not found any witnesses of live birth in hawaii, but some have spoken up about the birth in Kenya,?
    so, which is it? Hmmmmmmmm "

    jp to max katt wrote on Oct 26, 2008 6:56 PM:

    " hey max, you seem to know quite a bit about the "as seen on tv" version of alaska.
    why don't you come on up, i'll fly you around this magnificent state, and show you a bit of "reality"
    ALL of the stuff you people in the lower 48 see and hear about this place is horsepucky!
    you have to walk a day in the shoes of a real alaskan to know what alaska is truly about, and how the government is mis-managing it. "

    to Chloe wrote on Oct 26, 2008 6:45 PM:

    " i suppose that playing bingo 5 nights a week "just because it is a non-profit"
    makes it not gambling?
    churches should pay taxes, as they are businesses, you can't tell me that Dr. Jerry Prevo's 2.5 million dollar blue bird wonder lodge motorhome towing the mercedes 600 SL is not derived from a very profitable business?
    and what does it mean if Obama gets elected?

    like the lyrics state "it's the end of the world as we know it" "

    Chloe wrote on Oct 26, 2008 1:34 PM:

    " Interesting that in the choice between an avowed Christian faithful husband and father who attends church regularly, and a man who rarely attends (spending more time in casinos than churches), and who committed a very public and very mortal sin, you support the latter. "

    IMO wrote on Oct 26, 2008 9:03 AM:

    " Pastor,
    If you want to have a say in who is to become the next president, Why don't you and all the other churches sticking your two cents in to this election PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE OF THE TAX BURDEN!!!!! "

    Fred wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:19 PM:

    " What does it really mean if Obama wins?
    Not much. Rush Limbaugh will get a bigger contract and the bible bangers will go on banging, but life for the middle class will improve. So the christian middle class will be able to put more in the collection plate on Sunday.Smile pastor, you'll get a raise! "

    Dennis wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:14 PM:

    " Let's have a little separation between church and state, as our founding fathers intended. "

    BG wrote on Oct 25, 2008 4:45 PM:

    " BTW, thank you Pastor! "

    jp wrote on Oct 25, 2008 4:37 PM:

    " one of my fears:
    if Obama is elected and goes to the united nations, will he vote "present" there too?

    you can't say that he'd be better than Bush(even though we all know he would be) because he is an unknown, and all of you supporting him are just clinging to the hope of "Change" but will it be better, or for worse?
    i really don't see anything getting better in the immediate future. "

    nativegirl wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:19 PM:

    " Pastor Hamman; that is exactly right, and thankyou. This is the time to change Alaska and America. It will not be any better under a McCain/Palin ticket because Chrisitanity does not condone such tactics pulled such as 'inciting hate' speech and 'inciting a crowd' to think ill of a unfactual statement by two members of the Republican ticket that do not practice what they preach. Obama is a delightful refreshing change from the corrupt Republican ticket. Obama is close to God and you can feel his authenticity, intelligence, wisdom, compassion in his voice, his words,his "

    SaraN wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:25 AM:

    " Thank you Pastor Hamman. I appreciate people like you who aren't afraid to speak the truth. So many people want a "feel good religion" instead of believing every part of the Bible as it was written. We serve a JUST God. So many people just want Him to love and accept everyone - who cares about sin! Sorry about the comments posted here. I know you'll stick to preaching the Word of God in spite of it! "

    BG wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:59 PM:

    " A contradiction I have never reconciled: many Christians in America support the Republican party and at least tacitly support the wars Republicans are very willing to start and fight, even clearly unfounded wars (like Iraq), where thousands of US soldiers have died and even more innocent Iraqis have died. Meanwhile, these same people are adamently professing a "prolife" agenda. Where is the outcry from the Christian church when an innocent Iraqi dies. A young child who has actually breathed a breath of air. Christians should be the greatest proponents of life and anti-killing, in all forms! "

    Karin Byars wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:41 PM:

    " JP

    My name is KARIN not Karyn. It is Swedish and became popular during the Hitler regime. Being a Nazi Love Child they named me that to highlight my blond and blue eyed Arian appearance with a Nordic name.

    They would not understand my support of Obama.

    In one post I misspelled contempt, sorry. "

    jp to karin byars wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:39 PM:

    " karin, watch the movie "Idiocracy"

    that future is here, perhaps it is you who need to wake up! "

    jp to karin byars wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:37 PM:

    " Karyn, respectfully, i mean no ill will towards you , or others, i am simply stating a fact, and that fact is:
    we have no control over our government, our government controls us!
    this bank bailout fuss is total proof of that!
    i know not one person who asked their senators and congressmen to allow our government to write that check. but did they listen to us? no, they added all those earmarks to it, and then passed it!
    How well did that bailout work?
    we the voters had absolutely no say in it whatsoever!
    let's un-elect them all! "

    Karin Byars wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:35 PM:

    " JP

    If everyone thought and acted like you ther would be no change.

    There are those of us who think positive thoughts, who hope, who work to make changes, who believe in the goodness of our fellow human beings and who will write to a creature filled with hate living in a rathole with solar panels who looks at the world through crosshairs in the hope that he will live up to his Indian heritage, stand up tall and respect his fellow human beings.

    You need to get over your compemt for humanity "

    jp wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:54 PM:

    " my opinion of what will happen;
    life will be exactly the same as it is right now, same government problems, same money problems, same wars, same old same old.

    it doesn't matter who gets elected president, it's who is in the cabinet, congress, and senate.
    and all of those people are corrupt politicians.
    so what does it mean if Obama gets elected? nothing, absolutely nothing! "

    HappyHeathen wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:24 AM:

    " There is always this assumption that the world would be better if everyone were Christian and that somehow all values stem from religion. But that is how religion works. We’re right and everyone else is wrong. We are included and you are excluded. We belong and you don’t. How presumptuous! "

    Karin Byars wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:06 AM:

    " Ron Hamman,

    Your ramblings make about as much sense as Sarah Palin's. I guess it is fair to assume that your logic is not a product of Yale and Union.

    You Sir, and your kind, have kept me far away from organized religion for 50 years. I should thank you for that. "

    to amazed wrote on Oct 23, 2008 6:13 PM:

    " I live here and I'm ashamed of these right wing bigot haters that hide behind the bible. To answer your question, there are a bunch of them that live here and only vote for republicans, despite rampant corruption within that party, up here. They mix religion and politics on a regular basis and want to feed the resulting mud pies to the rest of us.
    Not all of us buy their hate, fire and brimstone. "

    just a question wrote on Oct 23, 2008 3:26 PM:

    " Could someone please tell me what Christians believe happens to a fetus when it "dies"? Purgatory? Or do they reside with their heavenly creator?
    And why are they so afraid of an anti-christ if it will be one step closer to the rapture. Why so much fear? Why so much judgement? "

    amazed wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:29 PM:

    " I fail to believe that this writer, minister, clergy, whatever, is a true representative of your area??? Do you all think like this up there? It was people like this individual that drove me away from organized religion. Is this Palin's new church, does she believe this garbage? "

    bob powell wrote on Oct 23, 2008 12:17 PM:

    " Recently I saw a bumper sticker that said "God Bless The Whole World.
    NO Exceptions ." I doubt if it was a fundie who was driving that car. And, who is the Family values Presidential canidate : John McCain who ditched his wife who waited for him for richer and younger Cindy or Obama with 2 kids married to Michelle for 16 years ? "

    Codebreaker wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:56 AM:

    " MaxKatt from NY -
    Good idea to suggest a google of JP's "constitution." Everybody get out their decoder rings! "White male protestant" is and has been the platform for the KKK. This doesn't mean all white male Protestants subscribe to racism; it just means JP is talking in code.

    JP - It's a good story, but whoever read you that constitution was not reading the US constitution. You should read it. Look at the National Archive website, http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html. "

    JZ wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:24 AM:

    " I have yet to understand why so many people seem to believe that God is a registered Republican voter. I try hard to be on God's side, and it is so often that it puts me in opposition with people who think in the ways written here as to be heartbreaking. God is not a Republican. Nor is He a Democrat. "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:27 AM:

    " JP...RE" just stating what was read to us in the early 70's in a southern oregon" So Google around a little bit to verify before putting it out there. Hey-Look to some other thread out here. Guy wants to know if JP is short for "Joe Plummer or Joe 6 Pack. Funny. "

    American Christian wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:48 AM:

    " Pastor, your version of Christianity is polarizing for America. Have you not read "Love your neighbor as yourself. .[Matthew 22:39] ?"

    There are millions of Americans of other faiths? Do you not love them? Are they not American? Or, do you love only "your kind" of Christian?

    On a legal note, are you allowed to campaign as a pastor representing your church? Did you not know the IRS has rules about 501c3 political campaign intervention? You are clearly advocating for a specific candidate, a likely violation of IRS ruling 2007-41. "

    richard wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:48 AM:

    " THANK YOU FOR THE VERY WELL WRITTEN ARTICLE! I WOULD LOVE TO VISIT YOUR CHURCH BUT AUSTIN, TEXAS IS A FER PIECE TO DRIVE. GOD BLESS YOU AND AMERICA! "

    Mia T wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:38 AM:

    " jp wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:53 PM:

    " in the copy of the constitution i read in gradeschool, and was professed to me the "presidency" read "only a white protestant

    The United States Constitution outlines the requirements for President in Article 2.

    Section 1 of Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution states that a President must:

    * be a natural born citizen of the united States
    * be at least 35 years old "

    Jim from Boston wrote on Oct 23, 2008 6:36 AM:

    " St. Martin gave the beggar half his cloak and Gidget Palin is walking around in $175,000 of couture. I don't see Michelle Obama going to that kind of wretched excess.

    There are even photos available of her seven year old with a new Louis Vuitton bag.

    Is this how you counciled her concerning charity, modesty and honesty, Reverend? Or did you just spend your time hating on homosexuals and the poor.

    Palin should disgust all Alaskans. "

    laura wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:46 PM:

    " my body my life YOU HAVE NO SAY IN WHAT I DO WITH MY BODY! "

    laura wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:44 PM:

    " I am a christian voting for Obama You sir are a ratical. Stop mixing religion and politics. "

    Carol wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:36 PM:

    " If Obama wins it means that the American people have seen through the hypocrisy of the relgious right wing neocons that have been ruining this country the last 8 years. It means that God has blessed us (Christians, Jews, Hindu, Muslims, white, black, brown, etc.,) with a moral, intelligent, dignified leader who can hopefully lead us towards security, stability and unity. Did I mention that Obama is a Baptist? "

    HillofBeans wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:37 PM:

    " Yo Reverend. Remember that little saying? The one about religion and politics not mixing so well? I think you should remember that next time you start typing, because you're not exactly spreading the word of God here. If you care to do a little research, I think you'll see history has proven that axiom over and over again. In fact, bad things usually happen when religion becomes political (a corrupt Papacy in the Middle Ages, the Crusades, Hitler blaming the Jews for the death of Jesus, civil war in Ireland, Sept. 11, Spanish Inquisition, Islamic fundamentalism . . .) "

    nikki005 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:06 PM:

    " And Senator McCain is a saint?
    He lives in excess while others suffer. Is this the true Christian way, Pastor Hamman? Where is your focus? "

    to alpenglow wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:31 PM:

    " Not only history, but the present poves you wrong. More people were put to death because of religion than anything. If anyone is spreading hate, it's religion. If you say that you don't buy into religion in many societies, you can be belittled, hated or killed. These are believers that do these thing. Non-believers just want to be left alone by people that insist on forcing evryone to believe their version of the myth. Nobody hates better than the believers. "

    jp to max katt wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:27 PM:

    " max, i was just stating what was read to us in the early 70's in a southern oregon elementary school.
    and i took it at face value, because that's what kids do, i have tried to look up that version, and cannot find it, but i do know that that was professed to us, i even called an old friend from gradeschool and asked him, and he concurred.
    kind of strange a couple of universities have different renderings of the constitution, princeton and yale's are quite different. "

    Jim from Boston wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:55 PM:

    " A reminder to the Reverend to council his flock more accurately and not focus on homosexual bigotry.
    Sodom was condemned for cruelty and lack of hospitality The people of Sodom were seen as guilty of many other significant sins including economic crimes.
    One of the worst was to give money or even gold ingots to beggars, inscribed with the donors name, and then refuse to sell the beggar food. The unfortunate stranger would starve and after his death, the people reclaimed the gold. It had nothing to do with homosexuality. "

    Jim from Boston wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:40 PM:

    " Yes Reverend, the Obama victory will be a defeat for the far right religious bigotry that has plagued this nation.
    It will be a slap in the face to the John Hagee's, Rod Parsley's and the like.

    Love God. Love your neighbor. Practice the acts of mercy. The doctrine ain't hard to understand. It can be very hard to practice especially with folks like yourself blocking the truth. "

    StnDG wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:05 PM:

    " As for abortion rights, let me ask you one simple question. If you pull a 8 or 9 month old infant, mostly out of his mom's womb and shove an ice-pick into the back of his brain, killing him, isn't it murder. That infant could have lived on his own just as any other child could have. You cry about a woman's right to her body, how about an infant's right to live. That right was guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution. The right to LIFE. We don't hate you, just your actions. "

    StnDg wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:02 PM:

    " I find it astounding how christians are labeled as hate mongers by these bloggers.

    They tend to be anything but haters in the vast majority of cases. However there are limits to what Christians will tolerate socially. "Freedom of Choice"?
    Don't make me laugh!! Refugees from Europe didn't come over here to have abortions. . "

    alpenglow wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:54 AM:

    " Man there is a lot of hate out there towards Christians and people of faith. "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:49 AM:

    " Jp! Why do you do this stuff. You're compromising your credibility. "

    To Jp wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:51 AM:

    " I have read the US Constitution many times and I have yet to find "only a white protestant male" anywhere in Article 2 or in any of the amendments. It is possible you left this version of the Constitution under the rock you crawled out from under? "

    holyiertanthou wrote on Oct 21, 2008 9:53 PM:

    " I have never been able to hate well enough to be a good christian "

    jp wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:53 PM:

    " in the copy of the constitution i read in gradeschool, and was professed to me the "presidency" read "only a white protestant male No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States. so, how is it that this can happen? was there an amendment? "

    Todd wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:28 PM:

    " Just mentioning Political figures on a faith blog and comparing your eternal life on the same plane with a person who is a glorified tax manager, says just how much you may be right about practicing christians going astray. "

    Josh wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:28 PM:

    " "Thus to many, a Democratic victory this election cycle spells the potential end to decades of work intended to restore our nation to its Christian moorings."

    Time to head back to history class. Yes most of the pilgrims that came over were Christian. But the country was founded on freedom of choice and religion. Its no wonder this country is heading in the wrong direction when we have hate mongers.

    Why does it say in the bible "judge not lest ye be judged" Yet it seems "christians" are the first ones in line to do so? "

    Lisa from PA wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:11 PM:

    " I find it incredibly distasteful that a professed Christian, runnng for VP has an unmarried, pregnant teen daughter who is about to marry a high school dropout! Her presidential running mate is married to the woman he had an affair with! It wreaks of the hypocricy that keeps people out of the church and the persistent attmepts to ignore these issue and stir the pot of devisiveness and derision...serve once purpose...to get Obama elected-the right man for our country. "

    Sad Commentary wrote on Oct 21, 2008 11:06 AM:

    " It is depressing that religious leaders have become so hypocritical in their teachings. If we were to scrutinize the behavior of every leader from Pat Robertson to Sen. McCain to Adolf Hitler to Sen. Obama against the word of God [the Bible] we would find that each individual has been both a superb Christian and a blasphemous Christian. The simple truth is that the word of God IS open to interpretation which is made evident by the fact there isn’t a single Christian faith, but several sub-sets of Christianity. Be good, Love God, Love thy neighbor. Pretty simple really. "

    God and Obama wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:57 AM:

    " I think it is too bad some can't realize
    that if Jesus were running for president, most would be against him: 1) He is a jew. 2) He beleives in redistribution of Wealth "Sell all you have and give it to the poor". He believes in welfare, "Take care of the widows and orphans". He is weak on Crime "If a man take your cloak give him your coat also." He is weak on defense, "If a man strikes you on the cheek, turn to him the other cheek."
    NEED I GO ON?. "

    Ed K. wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:45 AM:

    " I'm disgisted and insulted the frontiersman prints this crap. Freedom of religiom and free thought is a major part of our constitution and the founding of our country.

    It's zionist fundamental hatemongers like you that give christians and politically oblivious americans alike a bad name. Many founding fathers were not the perfect "gentiles" you presuppose all white anglo saxon protestants to be. I'm sorry but reverend Hamman is extremely offensive and quite terrifying as an interpreter of what should be real fact based ideological thought.

    This man is an ideologue, pure and simple...Homesexual Hordes...C'MON NOW! "

    WOW wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:43 AM:

    " This kind of ignorance does not suit a member of the clergy. Sad. "

    Irony wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:25 AM:

    " Looks like the writer unwittingly described our governor and her response to the troopergate report when he wrote:

    We live in an era where most are too arrogant to submit their lives to the scrutiny of God’s Word, preferring instead to let their feelings dictate what is right for them. Then when it comes to turning from their wicked ways, there is nothing wrong. "

    HomosexualHorde wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:41 AM:

    " Oh Goodie, thank you Rev. Hamman, I now have a new nickname to use on these blogs for a while. Always wanted to be a horde. But the last time I checked, the wicked sodomites aren't really forming hordes and threatening the very fabric of our nation. Please tell me exactly, and in small words because they will be easier for you to put together, how two people who love one another and declare that love publicly can in any way HARM the nation, or YOUR relationship with God? "

    npadilla wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:31 AM:

    " “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
    John Adams quotes (American 2nd US President (1797-1801), 1735-1826) "

    jp wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:59 AM:

    " religion: The biggest lie ever told. "

    really now wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:19 AM:

    " I thought Jesus' main concern was religion, not politics. Was it psalms?---"The heavens are for the Lord, and the earth for the children of men." When religion messes with politics, it always turns out badly. It has caused nothing but war, death, ignorance and suffering. The most brutal of wars were fought because of religion. No thanks. "

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