But have you ever contemplated what this really means? Just off the cuff, I can think of several things. First off, I am a firm believer that God is the one who sets up kings, and who brings them down. Thus, I believe that God will be giving America the president she deserves this Nov. 4.
Secondly, I recall that God was willing to spare Sodom if he could just find 10 righteous people, and for some reason Abraham seemed confident that there should be at least that many. What does this say about America?
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But I wonder even further if we have ever really thought about what God thinks. Is God really as concerned with our causes as much as our lives?
I am thinking this morning about that oft-quoted verse, II Chronicles 7:14: “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”
I wonder this morning if there are any who really believe this verse that gives them so many goosebumps when they hear it. While their eyes roll back in their head as they mystically seek God’s face and pray, where are the humility and the turning from their wicked ways?
We live in an era where most are too arrogant to submit their lives to the scrutiny of God’s Word, preferring instead to let their feelings dictate what is right for them. Then when it comes to turning from their wicked ways, there is nothing wrong.
And then there is Matthew 5:13: “Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.”
Here is another verse that I wonder how many really believe. The problem with it is that most fail to consider the gravity of what is being said. The audience that Jesus delivered this to was 100-percent Jewish, and they, as God’s chosen people, were supposed to be the salt of the world. This passage is not for Gentile Christianity by origin, but by default. And unless we realize that the Jewish peoples have very literally been cast out and trodden under foot of men for the last 1,900 plus years, we will be lulled into believing that it could never happen to us. Perhaps we already are.
And understand this too: Savourless salt is determined by lack of results. Just take an honest look around you and tell me just how much of a preservative effect the church is having on this country. The truth is that much of professing Christianity has spent the last 50 years seeing just how close to the world they could get in an effort to make Christianity more palatable, and now we are reaping the results.
We have become so earthly minded that we are no heavenly good. Trust not in those who say to you that you can be so heavenly minded that you are no earthly good, for this is a lie. I say unto you, unless you are heavenly minded, you will be no earthly good. And God says that to be carnally minded is death (Romans 8:6).
Folks, it is time for American Christianity to take a long and sobering look at itself, and for this Obama may just be God’s motivation to do just that.
Ron Hamman is pastor for Independent Baptist Church of Wasilla. Contact him at 357-4229.


Comments
120 comment(s)historyforgotten wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:28 PM:
historyforgotten wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:18 PM:
Spankles wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:29 AM:
Hey Spankles wrote on Nov 5, 2008 5:37 AM:
Hey Spankles wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:06 PM:
MAXKATT from NY wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:17 PM:
Spankles wrote on Nov 4, 2008 7:31 PM:
wrkgmom.mn wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:23 PM:
She remains a total embarrassment to Women.. She can fool some of the Let's Get Our Info From Fox News You Betcha (ugh! Lol!) ...Extreeeeeme fundamental crazy ranting network for let's not get educated okeeee dokey people) no doubt, but we could see through her winki-wink-no-nothin' you betcha Act the minute she hit the lower 48. ByeBye Palin Pain. We'd rather see T. Fey as VP then Palin! At least she's educated. "
Spankles wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:31 PM:
MAXKATT from NY wrote on Nov 4, 2008 6:22 AM:
Bye wrote on Nov 3, 2008 5:14 PM:
Your wrong again wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:57 PM:
MAXKATT from NY wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:56 AM:
In Philly. Carload of folding chairs & post Halloween candy purchased on sale. Assigned a polling station in democratic neighborhood. Going to do my best to make sure no matter how long lines get I keep as many voters in the game as possible. "
MAXKATT from NY wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:46 AM:
Karin Byars wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:32 AM:
Since you know everything about me you should also know that I am working hard to make my home of choice a desirable (democratic) town and state again. And yes, I still have all my money because I knew the stockmarket was too good to last so I bought dirt, good old Georgia clay, nice and close to Atlanta.
I have nothing to hide and I would think I could serve as an example for Republicans who are entering their Identy crisis by now. My judgment has served me well, try it on for size. "
Karin Byars wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:19 AM:
I left Fairfax because venture capital ate my job and I made a quarter million taxfree profit on my townhouse since the neighborhood was no longer drug infested thanks to my efforts, I ran the drugdealers off. They are also the reason I have guns. You see, not everything is black and white, I am as liberal as they come but I will not turn my world over to the criminal element without a fight, whether the criminals profit from drugs or politics. I am realistic, passionate and honest. are you? "
Bye wrote on Nov 2, 2008 2:11 PM:
Jamie wrote on Nov 2, 2008 7:59 AM:
Karin Byars wrote on Nov 2, 2008 4:18 AM:
I am bowing out, y'all are getting to nasty. I can tolerate the occassional fanatic but not a house full.
I came here to get a read on Palin, I got that. I have had some fun, met some nice people but now I am done.
jp - sometimes we have to work with what we have to preserve our sanity. "
Independent wrote on Nov 2, 2008 12:29 AM:
Observer wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:59 PM:
JM wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:49 PM:
JM wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:34 PM:
jp wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:33 PM:
my whole point to this election is that we, the commoners, are the only ones getting thrown under the bus, because we do not have a good choice for our president.
Every election our choices worsen, the candidates integrity worsens and degreades.
perhaps one day we "the people" will stand up to this yet again, and take our country back.
i hope this movement comes soon, as i wish for my children to have a better life, than our current government can provide. "
JM wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:27 PM:
muffin wrote on Nov 1, 2008 7:22 PM:
muffin wrote on Nov 1, 2008 7:03 PM:
Even more cont. wrote on Nov 1, 2008 4:25 PM:
ps - For Now "
More cont. wrote on Nov 1, 2008 4:12 PM:
laura wrote on Nov 1, 2008 4:07 PM:
Cont. wrote on Nov 1, 2008 4:00 PM:
If Obama wins wrote on Nov 1, 2008 3:50 PM:
muffin wrote on Nov 1, 2008 3:29 PM:
muffin wrote on Nov 1, 2008 3:19 PM:
Karin Byars wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:08 PM:
1. Thanks for bringing up McCain's place of birth. I has really irked me that this has not been more of an issue.
2. About jp - he is the original nay sayer. He sees the downside of everything. He is probabaly an interesting character. Too bad Man in trees is already on TV. Go see him and tell us about him.
3.You and the NYT are correct McCain does well with under-achievers, North Georgia (my home of choice) and Alaska are both full of them. I am shunned because of my Obamasigns "
MAXKATT from NY wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:10 AM:
MAXKATT from NY wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:05 AM:
MAXKATT from NY wrote on Nov 1, 2008 8:59 AM:
jp to max katt wrote on Oct 31, 2008 9:59 PM:
because it will never get past the senate, or house, without getting hammered with earmarks, or changes to the original structure. this is a game for these worthless freaks who get elected into office.
i'm sure that when they are initially elected, they want to do for their constituents, the deeds that they are urged to support, but greed and power tend to overcome the humbleness of goodness.
lets make sure this doesn't happen! "
To MAXKATT wrote on Oct 31, 2008 12:25 PM:
MAXKATT fromNY wrote on Oct 31, 2008 10:11 AM:
MAXKATT from NY wrote on Oct 31, 2008 7:01 AM:
BS wrote on Oct 30, 2008 11:32 PM:
JM wrote on Oct 30, 2008 12:50 PM:
JM wrote on Oct 30, 2008 12:44 PM:
jp wrote on Oct 30, 2008 12:10 PM:
vote smart!
Vote for anyone but Osama! "
Independent wrote on Oct 30, 2008 8:39 AM:
Observer wrote on Oct 30, 2008 8:34 AM:
Spankles wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:38 PM:
Patricia wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:07 PM:
I be fer McCain wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:34 AM:
- Prowd McCane Supporter "
LOL wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:25 AM:
Poor and Uneducated wrote on Oct 29, 2008 10:11 AM:
I heard the October surprise is, and I quote "'The Walmart woman" They were described in those terms too.."uneducated"...
This is a demographic that holds the key to their victory..
Gimme a break! "
MAXKATT from NY wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:46 AM:
Giddyup wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:23 PM:
JM wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:56 PM:
jp wrote on Oct 28, 2008 1:10 PM:
pretty depressing, what our country has stooped to, i'm certain our forefathers are rolling in their graves. "
nikki005 wrote on Oct 27, 2008 2:36 PM:
We already redistribute wealth in this country. TAXES. I have been paying taxes for the past 16 years, as soon as I was able to work.
So I supose you are one of those coroporate welfare supporters also. Bailing out companies that don't keep jobs in our country, allowing tax shelters to the rich who could care less about harding working people.
Textbook capitalism hasn't existed in this country in many years.
Who's going to pay for the "economic fixes" that Mr. McCain proposes? Look in the mirror. "
Chloe wrote on Oct 27, 2008 2:33 PM:
makes it not gambling?
Goodness, bingo five nights a week? I'd only read McCain has shot lots of craps and played lots of blackjack in Vegas, and was instrumental in creating the Indian Casino phenomena. Playing that much bingo I'm surprised he has time for anything else.
Hello? Yes, churches engaged in businesses competing with lay enterprises should be taxed, but did you actually read my post? It was an actual response to Ron Hamman's article. "
Dynahog wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:46 AM:
October Bombshell in this 2001 Radio Interview of Obama talking about "redistribution of wealth".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck
Joe the Plumber wasn't the first to hear it. "
Jane Six-Pack wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:43 AM:
MAXKATT from NY wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:02 AM:
jp wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:50 PM:
this is what is in question now, and they have not found any witnesses of live birth in hawaii, but some have spoken up about the birth in Kenya,?
so, which is it? Hmmmmmmmm "
jp to max katt wrote on Oct 26, 2008 6:56 PM:
why don't you come on up, i'll fly you around this magnificent state, and show you a bit of "reality"
ALL of the stuff you people in the lower 48 see and hear about this place is horsepucky!
you have to walk a day in the shoes of a real alaskan to know what alaska is truly about, and how the government is mis-managing it. "
to Chloe wrote on Oct 26, 2008 6:45 PM:
makes it not gambling?
churches should pay taxes, as they are businesses, you can't tell me that Dr. Jerry Prevo's 2.5 million dollar blue bird wonder lodge motorhome towing the mercedes 600 SL is not derived from a very profitable business?
and what does it mean if Obama gets elected?
like the lyrics state "it's the end of the world as we know it" "
Chloe wrote on Oct 26, 2008 1:34 PM:
IMO wrote on Oct 26, 2008 9:03 AM:
If you want to have a say in who is to become the next president, Why don't you and all the other churches sticking your two cents in to this election PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE OF THE TAX BURDEN!!!!! "
Fred wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:19 PM:
Not much. Rush Limbaugh will get a bigger contract and the bible bangers will go on banging, but life for the middle class will improve. So the christian middle class will be able to put more in the collection plate on Sunday.Smile pastor, you'll get a raise! "
Dennis wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:14 PM:
BG wrote on Oct 25, 2008 4:45 PM:
jp wrote on Oct 25, 2008 4:37 PM:
if Obama is elected and goes to the united nations, will he vote "present" there too?
you can't say that he'd be better than Bush(even though we all know he would be) because he is an unknown, and all of you supporting him are just clinging to the hope of "Change" but will it be better, or for worse?
i really don't see anything getting better in the immediate future. "
nativegirl wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:19 PM:
SaraN wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:25 AM:
BG wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:59 PM:
Karin Byars wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:41 PM:
My name is KARIN not Karyn. It is Swedish and became popular during the Hitler regime. Being a Nazi Love Child they named me that to highlight my blond and blue eyed Arian appearance with a Nordic name.
They would not understand my support of Obama.
In one post I misspelled contempt, sorry. "
jp to karin byars wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:39 PM:
that future is here, perhaps it is you who need to wake up! "
jp to karin byars wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:37 PM:
we have no control over our government, our government controls us!
this bank bailout fuss is total proof of that!
i know not one person who asked their senators and congressmen to allow our government to write that check. but did they listen to us? no, they added all those earmarks to it, and then passed it!
How well did that bailout work?
we the voters had absolutely no say in it whatsoever!
let's un-elect them all! "
Karin Byars wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:35 PM:
If everyone thought and acted like you ther would be no change.
There are those of us who think positive thoughts, who hope, who work to make changes, who believe in the goodness of our fellow human beings and who will write to a creature filled with hate living in a rathole with solar panels who looks at the world through crosshairs in the hope that he will live up to his Indian heritage, stand up tall and respect his fellow human beings.
You need to get over your compemt for humanity "
jp wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:54 PM:
life will be exactly the same as it is right now, same government problems, same money problems, same wars, same old same old.
it doesn't matter who gets elected president, it's who is in the cabinet, congress, and senate.
and all of those people are corrupt politicians.
so what does it mean if Obama gets elected? nothing, absolutely nothing! "
HappyHeathen wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:24 AM:
Karin Byars wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:06 AM:
Your ramblings make about as much sense as Sarah Palin's. I guess it is fair to assume that your logic is not a product of Yale and Union.
You Sir, and your kind, have kept me far away from organized religion for 50 years. I should thank you for that. "
to amazed wrote on Oct 23, 2008 6:13 PM:
Not all of us buy their hate, fire and brimstone. "
just a question wrote on Oct 23, 2008 3:26 PM:
And why are they so afraid of an anti-christ if it will be one step closer to the rapture. Why so much fear? Why so much judgement? "
amazed wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:29 PM:
bob powell wrote on Oct 23, 2008 12:17 PM:
NO Exceptions ." I doubt if it was a fundie who was driving that car. And, who is the Family values Presidential canidate : John McCain who ditched his wife who waited for him for richer and younger Cindy or Obama with 2 kids married to Michelle for 16 years ? "
Codebreaker wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:56 AM:
Good idea to suggest a google of JP's "constitution." Everybody get out their decoder rings! "White male protestant" is and has been the platform for the KKK. This doesn't mean all white male Protestants subscribe to racism; it just means JP is talking in code.
JP - It's a good story, but whoever read you that constitution was not reading the US constitution. You should read it. Look at the National Archive website, http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html. "
JZ wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:24 AM:
MAXKATT from NY wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:27 AM:
American Christian wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:48 AM:
There are millions of Americans of other faiths? Do you not love them? Are they not American? Or, do you love only "your kind" of Christian?
On a legal note, are you allowed to campaign as a pastor representing your church? Did you not know the IRS has rules about 501c3 political campaign intervention? You are clearly advocating for a specific candidate, a likely violation of IRS ruling 2007-41. "
richard wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:48 AM:
Mia T wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:38 AM:
" in the copy of the constitution i read in gradeschool, and was professed to me the "presidency" read "only a white protestant
The United States Constitution outlines the requirements for President in Article 2.
Section 1 of Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution states that a President must:
* be a natural born citizen of the united States
* be at least 35 years old "
Jim from Boston wrote on Oct 23, 2008 6:36 AM:
There are even photos available of her seven year old with a new Louis Vuitton bag.
Is this how you counciled her concerning charity, modesty and honesty, Reverend? Or did you just spend your time hating on homosexuals and the poor.
Palin should disgust all Alaskans. "
laura wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:46 PM:
laura wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:44 PM:
Carol wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:36 PM:
HillofBeans wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:37 PM:
nikki005 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:06 PM:
He lives in excess while others suffer. Is this the true Christian way, Pastor Hamman? Where is your focus? "
to alpenglow wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:31 PM:
jp to max katt wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:27 PM:
and i took it at face value, because that's what kids do, i have tried to look up that version, and cannot find it, but i do know that that was professed to us, i even called an old friend from gradeschool and asked him, and he concurred.
kind of strange a couple of universities have different renderings of the constitution, princeton and yale's are quite different. "
Jim from Boston wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:55 PM:
Sodom was condemned for cruelty and lack of hospitality The people of Sodom were seen as guilty of many other significant sins including economic crimes.
One of the worst was to give money or even gold ingots to beggars, inscribed with the donors name, and then refuse to sell the beggar food. The unfortunate stranger would starve and after his death, the people reclaimed the gold. It had nothing to do with homosexuality. "
Jim from Boston wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:40 PM:
It will be a slap in the face to the John Hagee's, Rod Parsley's and the like.
Love God. Love your neighbor. Practice the acts of mercy. The doctrine ain't hard to understand. It can be very hard to practice especially with folks like yourself blocking the truth. "
StnDG wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:05 PM:
StnDg wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:02 PM:
They tend to be anything but haters in the vast majority of cases. However there are limits to what Christians will tolerate socially. "Freedom of Choice"?
Don't make me laugh!! Refugees from Europe didn't come over here to have abortions. . "
alpenglow wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:54 AM:
MAXKATT from NY wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:49 AM:
To Jp wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:51 AM:
holyiertanthou wrote on Oct 21, 2008 9:53 PM:
jp wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:53 PM:
Todd wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:28 PM:
Josh wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:28 PM:
Time to head back to history class. Yes most of the pilgrims that came over were Christian. But the country was founded on freedom of choice and religion. Its no wonder this country is heading in the wrong direction when we have hate mongers.
Why does it say in the bible "judge not lest ye be judged" Yet it seems "christians" are the first ones in line to do so? "
Lisa from PA wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:11 PM:
Sad Commentary wrote on Oct 21, 2008 11:06 AM:
God and Obama wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:57 AM:
that if Jesus were running for president, most would be against him: 1) He is a jew. 2) He beleives in redistribution of Wealth "Sell all you have and give it to the poor". He believes in welfare, "Take care of the widows and orphans". He is weak on Crime "If a man take your cloak give him your coat also." He is weak on defense, "If a man strikes you on the cheek, turn to him the other cheek."
NEED I GO ON?. "
Ed K. wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:45 AM:
It's zionist fundamental hatemongers like you that give christians and politically oblivious americans alike a bad name. Many founding fathers were not the perfect "gentiles" you presuppose all white anglo saxon protestants to be. I'm sorry but reverend Hamman is extremely offensive and quite terrifying as an interpreter of what should be real fact based ideological thought.
This man is an ideologue, pure and simple...Homesexual Hordes...C'MON NOW! "
WOW wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:43 AM:
Irony wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:25 AM:
We live in an era where most are too arrogant to submit their lives to the scrutiny of God’s Word, preferring instead to let their feelings dictate what is right for them. Then when it comes to turning from their wicked ways, there is nothing wrong. "
HomosexualHorde wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:41 AM:
npadilla wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:31 AM:
John Adams quotes (American 2nd US President (1797-1801), 1735-1826) "
jp wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:59 AM:
really now wrote on Oct 21, 2008 12:19 AM: