Lincoln had it right


Published on Monday, November 24, 2008 9:20 PM AKST

It seems like Abraham Lincoln must have been looking into the future. We seem to be experiencing and doing exactly what he said we shouldn’t do.

He said:

“You cannot help men permanently by doing more for them than they can do for themselves.

You cannot build character and courage by taking away man’s initiative and independence.

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

You cannot prosper by discouraging thrift.

You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn.”

Roger L. Harkins

Wasilla

 

Comments

18 comment(s)

    LINCOLN SCHOLAR wrote on Dec 6, 2008 8:45 PM:

    " You're so all over the place...I can't possibly respond fully with only 100 words here.

    You're overlooking the term MOVEMENT. That is not just an adjective for the advancement of Civil Rights, but a functional term. To overlook the Democrat (administration's) success at ultimately bringing civil rights legislation to fore shows your disregard for their direct involvement and the facts.

    By the way, you're still not responding to the Confederate flag/KKK issues mentioned previously herein which remain a constant sticking point against the redneck factions of the Republican party.

    Trying to avoid the issues? "

    To Lincoln Scholar wrote on Dec 6, 2008 5:54 PM:

    " Wrong wrong wrong...and I'm not going to even bother anymore. Anybody reading your wierd history can double-check it with ease. Yes, Kennedy and Johnson were supporters, and some other Dems in Congress at the time...but the vast majority fought AGAINST ending segregation just like they fought against ending slavery (or are you now going to say the South was Republican during the Civil War, too?) Where do you get this stuff? If you're going to make up baloney...at least try stuff that's not easily verified by picking up any history book. "

    LINCOLN SCHOLAR wrote on Dec 6, 2008 3:32 PM:

    " A little brain-power, To LINCOLN SCHOLAR, would be most appreciated.

    The Civil Rights movement took place in the LATE 50s-early 1960s and was overwhelmingly backed by Democrats, the Kennedy and Johnson administrations respectively--both Democrats.

    Go back to history class now. First grade history would probably be best for you.

    Interesting you don't respond to the Confederate flag/KKK issues mentioned previously herein which remain a constant sticking point against the redneck factions of the Republican party.

    Trying to avoid the issues? "

    To Lincoln Scholar wrote on Dec 6, 2008 12:11 PM:

    " and you're a 'Lincoln Scholar' how? You cite Democrats in the Civil Rights movement? Uhhh...I seem to recall that historically, Democrats were PRO-SLAVERY and PRO-SEGREGATION!! Something they've managed to successfully twist in the minds of modern society...but you can't argue against history my friend. It was the Democrats who fought against laws abolishing Jim Crow and the like. It's right there for anybody to look up (if they were sleeping in history class!) "

    LINCOLN SCHOLAR wrote on Dec 6, 2008 10:48 AM:

    " Some common sense, please.

    Lincoln would never back a party whose members fly the Confederate flag. Never.

    Furthermore, he'd fully reject a party whose members included the KKK.

    Everything else's negotiable, as it pertains to the Modern-era, and the fact that Lincoln left no clues at all as to where he would stand on current issues. But he was very clear on those which continue to fester--such as racisim.

    Were Lincoln alive today, he would probably be an Independent, possibly Democrat (Civil Rights movement)--but most certainly--not a Republican.

    Enough said. "

    To Republican Donor wrote on Dec 5, 2008 8:15 PM:

    " Going beyond how silly it is to speculate on 'if Lincoln were alive today'..oh yes, I'm ANY politician of his time would be tickled to death of the notion of abortion. And if you read your history (try it sometime, I can see you'll find it new) you would notice that Lincoln was anti-big government, anti-government handouts and on and on regarding so much of what the modern liberal stands for. I suppose you think that if Reagan were alive today he would be giving Hugo Chavez piggy-back rides? "

    Republican Donor wrote on Dec 5, 2008 4:50 PM:

    " If Lincoln were alive today...he'd be shaking Obama's hand with pride and thumbing his nose at the Republicans who've exploited him in so many insidious ways.

    The Republicans of 2008 are what Lincoln would've feared the most.

    That so many of them (still) fly the Confederate flag says way too much...

    The Republicans--if they are to survive and ever win again--need to redefine themselves.

    In the view of many donors, they should start by eliminating the hateful riff-raff, such as we've seen in this election, such as those who typify support for Palin. "

    Reluctant Post wrote on Dec 5, 2008 8:33 AM:

    " I hesitate to post this comment as it is an insult, but I feel I have no choice. It seems virtually everyone here lacks Analytical thinking. The author, in particular, has completely missed the point of Lincoln's statement. The world is not black and white with a clear line down the middle, and neither is the point of Lincoln's quote. "

    To Uncle Jed wrote on Dec 1, 2008 9:36 AM:

    " I'm assuming that is short for 'Jed Clampett'? No, actually I guess even that fictional character probably would have had the common sense to know that ending slavery and preserving the Union would be hard-pressed to view as 'mistakes' that we're suffering from to this day! "

    Uncle Jed wrote on Dec 1, 2008 1:47 AM:

    " We are still suffering from Lincoln's mistakes. "

    Dave wrote on Nov 30, 2008 7:57 PM:

    " Who cares what the difference is between Socialism and Communism?! One of the points this article made was that Lincoln knew, as any decent person knows, that the premise behind these ideologies is both wrong and proven to be a failure! Buying votes by promising people that they don't have to work for it...the government will provide it is just irresponsible. Believing it is naive. All of which is why there are those that DIDN'T vote for Comrade Obama! "

    To Mary Ann wrote on Nov 30, 2008 4:09 PM:

    " Yes...not knowing your history does indeed make you look uneducated. What was the name of the Soviet Union again? Oh yes! That's right! The Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics! Oh, and another quick history/government lesson;Socialism and Communism are but a hair's breadth apart in ideology. The idea of 'spreading the wealth' is inherent to both. The dictators of those countries promised the people 'true SOCIALISM in thier time'. And just like today's Democrat leaders, they could call themselves whatever they want, but they were all really just dictators. So no, it's not that nobody believes you; it's that you're wrong. "

    Mary Ann wrote on Nov 30, 2008 1:14 PM:

    " Excuse me Mr. Ben C but you could not be more wrong. Communism is one thing, and Socialism is a completely different one. Communism does not allow for Religion. Socialism has its roots in Religion. Don't believe me? Take a look at the country with the best example of Socialism, Israel. Would anybody care to say that it is Communist? In agreement with things been called what they are. Communism is Communism and Socialism is Socialism. We need to stop mixing them, it makes us look uneducated "

    Peanut Santiago wrote on Nov 29, 2008 11:09 PM:

    " Lincoln was and still is a lot smarter than the bunch of idiots we have in power today....both politicians AND bankers/Wall Street traders....

    ******Yes, both parties have dirty hands.

    ****** After the savings and loan debacle and this economic meltdown....I NEVER want to hear the word "deregulation" again. *** You HAVE TO regulate the potential selfish, greedy, crooks out there..... "

    proud to be an American wrote on Nov 29, 2008 11:20 AM:

    " Well said. Good article and good posts.
    We must remember that our Constitution allows for Free Enterprise - is BUILT on it! Lincoln knew that. And our Constitution has built in means to change and progress with the ever changing needs of our increasingly technological society. We need to use our Constitution the way it is--not change it. Thank you for publishing this. "

    vinni wrote on Nov 27, 2008 9:44 AM:

    " Not all those with enormous wealth achieved that wealth via hard work or ethical actions. Sure, our welfare system is broken and fosters an entitlement mentality, but the same sense of entitlement exists within our corporate culture; why else would they employ so many millionaire lobbyists. If a private project cannot succeed without government subsidies, then it shouldn’t exist. The only difference between Republican socialism and Democratic socialism is whether the programs benefit the rich or the poor. I say stop them all and let free market and trickle down survive on their own accord void of any government assistance. "

    Stuart Thompson wrote on Nov 26, 2008 5:57 PM:

    " Well done for posting this.
    It is a delusion to brag that we are free when not enogh people do the work to make it real.
    The worse slavery is that of the mind -- since then one's condition can't be faced. "

    Ben C wrote on Nov 24, 2008 9:46 PM:

    " Yes, but more and more Americans seem to think the way to prosperity is found in the 'wisdom' of Chairman Mao, Lenin and Karl Marx. History is ignored, even recent history. Socialism has been proven to be a dismal failure, yet if you call it by any other name (liberalism, progessive, etc.) people are foolish enough to give it a try! "

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