Gun registration just the first step


Published on Monday, February 23, 2009 9:51 PM AKST

To the editor:

I had to laugh when I read Howard Delo’s column, “Readings” on Feb. 17.

About a month ago I sent a letter to the editor wherein I predicted the agenda of the 4th Reich.

The usual Obamites booed.

As I recall, I predicted that the first step would be national registration of all firearms. HR 45 is the first step. And, as any intelligent person knows, registration is followed by taxation, confiscation or both.

I believe my closing words in that earlier letter were, “Mark my words, wait and see.”

‘Nuff said.

R.K. Butts

Wasilla

Comments

108 comment(s)

    Ben C wrote on Mar 15, 2009 8:20 PM:

    " To DimDemocrat and northern dave;
    LOL! Hit it right on the head with your posts! Thanks! (And I noticed the response you got was exactly what you said; No substance, just name-calling! To a loony lefty, everybody else looks like the crazy ones!)
    But on a serious note; belay your fears! President Chosen One's policies of liberal-happy over spending, soft on terrorism and immigration, and removing rights will set everything right! He says so, so you know it's true! (Oops! I guess agreeing with you makes me 'crazy' too!) "

    Winning Team wrote on Mar 15, 2009 6:43 PM:

    " Dim Democrat and northern dave...you have really, really, really lost it!
    (Guess you're not too tired of losing.)

    You two belong in an insane asylym. "

    northern dave wrote on Mar 14, 2009 5:59 PM:

    " Hey 'Winning Team' and 'Bob" blogger...
    All this thinking for myself is getting tiresome. I'm thinking of becoming a liberal so I can give the government all my money (and my rights) so I can just kick back and let them take care of me. Oh, and this new economic model of getting out of the red by spending more money seems pretty cool. I want to look into that, too. Finally, let's give Al Quaida and the Taliban hugs and easy entry into the US so they'll become our friends. "

    Dim Democrat wrote on Mar 14, 2009 12:20 PM:

    " to Winning Team;
    Oh my yes...aren't those Republicans tired of losing all the time? The majority has spoken! Just like when the majority of people in Russia supported Lenin and the new Communist government. Like when a majority of the Chinese wanted Mao, the Vietnamese wanted Ho Chi Minh, the Venezuelans wanted Chavez, Cubans wanted Castro...etc etc. And even here, in the US, we thankfully still have a large population of arrogant, egotiscal, pseudo-intellectuals that think the government is here to do it all for us! Way to go, 'Winning Team'! Thanks for the Socialism! "

    Winning Team wrote on Mar 14, 2009 10:14 AM:

    " To Dim Democrat...

    Clearly you know nothing of the thought processes of the Democrats or its successful approaches to major, sustaining wins.

    Sarcasm is such a losing strategy.

    Aren't you Republicans getting a little tired of losing all the time? "

    Dim Democrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 6:15 PM:

    " Yes indeed, we Democrats enjoy a good laugh at you Republican losers! You complain about that old "Constitution" thingy and are so dumb that you actually believe that thinking for yourselves is a good idea! If you learned to be good sheep like the rest of us and believe whatever you're told you'd be better off! But in the meantime, since we don't have things like 'facts' to debate you with, we'll continue to spew the propoganda-party lines and call you names! (Oops...gotta go...Keith Olbermann is about to come on and give me my daily brainwashing!) "

    TOO BAD wrote on Mar 13, 2009 2:42 PM:

    " You know it's really too bad if the minority of people in this country don't like the fact that they were losers in this past election.

    Now that Loudmouth, Lardball Lush Limbaugh's become the de facto head of the Republicans, it looks like Obama will most assuredly be in office for 8 years--instead of 4.

    Keep it up, folks! We're lovin' it! "

    Bob wrote on Mar 13, 2009 1:21 PM:

    " Thanks for the best bellylaugh!

    You right wing terrorists are as nuts as I said--maybe worse. Just look at what you've written here in response to my entry.

    You're treacherous, paranoid and unable to deal with reality. You're living in a dark world where you honestly(?) believe people are out to destroy you.

    Listen! You really DO need help--and it's out there for you. Choose not to live with your delusions. Go to your state's affiliation of Alliance for the Mentally Ill. Really now. "

    jp wrote on Mar 13, 2009 10:03 AM:

    " Bob is exactly the kind of citizen who makes thing easy for criminals and government. Just sit back, all is good.
    Wake up you moron, or soon you'll be saying "hey, what happened?" but then complaining why he has to wait in line for food.
    You have to fight to keep what is yours, or they'll most assuredly take it from you.
    (and in this administration, give it to someone else!) "

    New Age fools wrote on Mar 12, 2009 11:53 PM:

    " I bet these new age liberals would have laughed at Paul Revere if he was alive today instead of listening. They would have just sat there drinking their tea and eating crumpets. Waiting for the handout.
    Hey liberals, "The Obama is coming, the Obama is coming." There is still time to wake from your liberal stupor. "

    Poor Smilin Bob wrote on Mar 12, 2009 7:27 PM:

    " Poor Bob! 'Obama's charm.' ' He isn't disarming anyone.' Sounds like a parrot out of Pelosi's living room. See, this is what happens when you're too lazy to take the time to do some simple, quick research before saying anything. Obama's voting record on firearms? Did poor Bob bother taking a minute to look at it? Nope...easier to be a docile sheep and just regurgitate what you're told! "

    Bob wrote on Mar 12, 2009 3:31 PM:

    " Obama isn't disarming anyone (except possibly with his charm) or destroying anything that wasn't cratering in the first place.

    You right wing terrorists need to calm down, take a deep breath and seek psychiatric counseling. You're going completely off the deep end. Really. Get some professional help. You need it. "

    Uncle Jed wrote on Mar 12, 2009 12:29 PM:

    " The messiah is disarming us and destroying our economy. Our enemies are kicking back watching us become weaker and weaker. I honestly think this is jihad from within. I predict Palin will rise up and save America. Alaska will have a big part in saving the world. "

    jp wrote on Mar 11, 2009 7:35 PM:

    " 51 days in office, and our country is in more debt than if we had another 12 Bush Jr's for 8 years each!
    Now Obumma has just signed a pork barrell spending bill using our tax money on stuff we never were allowed a voice on.
    Then....Nancy Pelosi, the scum of the earth snake woman from helI, wastes tons of our tax money flying around on military jets for her personal use.
    Impeach Obama, and get rid of pelosi now, before it's too late!
    We can't afford another week of their actions!!! "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:14 PM:

    " A specific check I'd like to see added is a QUALITY check of 2 references. Find 2 close family members or friends that know purchaser and ask them to give nod/"co-sign." VA Tech shooter of 32 had history of mental problems. Got his gun at a no check gun show. My guess is if a skilled checker touched base w/ close friend or family member he would not have gotten gun. "

    DJ wrote on Mar 11, 2009 11:53 AM:

    " Oh yes! That darn Bush letting all those illegal immigrant in under his watch! And wise, noble Prophet Obama will fix the situation by....giving them social security benefits! Give me a break. Does anybody else remember the bills that were proposed to tighten up illegal immigration and failed thanks to a few Republicans and a lot of Democrats out to buy votes with warm, fuzzy 'feel-good' speeches and votes against it? "

    Get real wrote on Mar 11, 2009 11:13 AM:

    " Only criminals, the psychotically paranoid, and people who have something to hide, are afraid of background checks and registration. "

    To wildbill wrote on Mar 11, 2009 11:07 AM:

    " And how effectively, wildbill, did Bush track the tens of millions of illegal aliens in the EIGHT YEARS he had in office?

    Obama's been in the WH for 51 days and you stupidly and naively expect...what?

    You can bet many millions of illegal aliens are here courtesy of George Bush and his ineffectiveness as president. "

    Spankles to Uncle Jed wrote on Mar 10, 2009 3:16 PM:

    " I feel your pain. I did the plea bargain to get into a halfway house thing, and now my record looks like I am a violent offender. I have never harmed a soul my whole life. People who can afford bail and a lawyer come out smelling like a rose, even though they might deserve punishment. There were tons of village guys in jail for DV assault, and it seemed thier wives were the actual abusers. "

    Uncle Jed to MAXKATT wrote on Mar 9, 2009 6:56 PM:

    " I was lightly swatting her cheek because she was passed out drunk after she stole money out of my pocket. I was trying to wake her up to tell me where the money was. I hate woman beaters. Some people are wrongly convicted for DV assault and loose the right to posses firearms. I need a gun for bear protection. I got young uns! "

    Danb wrote on Mar 9, 2009 10:55 AM:

    " Crazy...crazy... and you conclude that I'm going to lose my pistols and rifles ? Where do you get this info ?

    "Bushieland" is full of rifle racks and when I lived there, they weren't empty. "

    To Sue from IA wrote on Mar 8, 2009 11:33 AM:

    " Obama is all of the above. Half of the country does not agree with him. Not just 5 or 10 percent, but half of the country. That means the other half are still living in a world of hope. Changes are needed, but not the way he is leading us down. "

    Sue from Iowa wrote on Mar 8, 2009 11:08 AM:

    " Folks you are driving me crazy on why I should hate Obama,First he was a Muslim,then a Socialist.,then a Communist,now a reincarnation of Hitler.some have even suggested that because he spends like Bush,he may be heaven forbid..a Republican. This is serious stuff so please MAKE UP YOUR MIND. "

    BarryUtah wrote on Mar 7, 2009 11:19 AM:

    " The Bill of Rights needs to be corrected.When it was written a clerk made a mistake.. It should have read."the right to arm Bears". "

    wildbill wrote on Mar 5, 2009 5:01 PM:

    " I don't understand?How can the obamanite's trace a firearm when they can't even trace 41 million illegal alien's. "

    broomhilda wrote on Mar 5, 2009 1:33 PM:

    " Don't just stand there and let the Commu-Obama-nists take away your gun rights. Write your congressman! Not that it would do much good, but like a Liberal, it will appease a person's conscience for a token gesture. "

    Gunless Tess wrote on Mar 3, 2009 7:56 PM:

    " If people want to kill they will find a way. Google for news stories about killings with knives- amazing how many people can be killed with a knife in a short amount of time. Going to be mighty hard to cook when they come to take our knives away. BUT - we must keep our citizens safe and keep knives out of the hands of criminals. "

    HARRY wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:47 PM:

    " What did you expect from the election. Obama has already gone back on other promises. The Democratic non taxpayers will exempt themselves. "

    DJ wrote on Mar 3, 2009 12:04 PM:

    " Germany, 1938; the 'new administration' of that country passed restrictive firearm laws for the citizens. Shortly thereafter,they banned private ownership of firearms. My, and how peaceful that country became after that... "

    Rowdy wrote on Mar 3, 2009 1:30 AM:

    " What part of " shall not be infringed" is unclear? "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Mar 2, 2009 6:42 AM:

    " To Uncle Jed regarding "just lightly swatted her cheek with my palm." LOL. Nice. We call that "slapping" here.

    I will file your great word play next to Bush's "We didn't establish a scheduled withdraw, we created a joint aspirational time horizon." "

    Ben C wrote on Mar 1, 2009 7:46 PM:

    " I just LOVE the knee-jerk reaction by leftist nuts every time somebody complains about increasing firearm regulation.."what do you have to hide". Ergo if you support the Constitution and are against uber-restrictive firearm rights it MUST mean you're a criminal with 'something to hide'. It's more of the same...no facts or anything tangible so they just resort to stupid, off-topic jibberish in an lame attempt to put you on the defensive. In which case, the debate is already over.. "

    but wait wrote on Mar 1, 2009 6:34 PM:

    " Since 90% of guns used in a crime are obtained illegally, how to you plan on tracking one used in a crime? Oops....see, this is when taking the time to educate yourself before talking comes in REAL handy! Sorry! "

    To Butt wrote on Mar 1, 2009 10:18 AM:

    " ooooooh! A conspiracy!!! It couldn't be so that a gun used in a crime could be tracked, could it? No that couldn't be it. What do you have to hide? Planning to help Alaska secede? "

    to Southern Patriot wrote on Feb 28, 2009 1:47 PM:

    " But wait...how can this be? We are all told time and time again by Begich and his followers that he was a hunter and supported gun rights! We were told by Begich and his followers that he would never, ever support restricting gun rights! Gosh, you don't mean to suggest that, like most liberals that supposedly support our 2nd Amendment rights, he lied his butt off in order to get elected do you? "

    Southern Patriot wrote on Feb 28, 2009 4:55 AM:

    " We must not forget that our own MARK BEGICH voted along with the rest of the liberals for the Obama Plan. "

    leon wrote on Feb 27, 2009 3:11 PM:

    " Mr.Observer--Lisa's favorite quote has been "Get a Lawyer" when some agent or agency of the state, or states does something that is wrong, unconstitutional or with out law and or when they propose something that may abrogate your rights.. Lisa has always been a 2 faced individual, one side towards you while in public and turned the other way as soon as she is out of public eyes "

    to curious wrote on Feb 27, 2009 2:32 PM:

    " Easier to learn to just ignore Jim. He's a Ted Kennedy-loving citizen from the land of big government. People from those neck of the woods use the Constitution as toilet paper and think Lenin was a poor, misunderstood hero. "

    curious wrote on Feb 27, 2009 2:04 PM:

    " To Jim From Boston
    Jim, I have read multiple posts from you on multiple blogs. I am curious as to what YOU do all day? If anybody is a moron, it is you. Go on down to your Irish pub and get drunk with the rest of the white trash in your part of the country. "

    DJ wrote on Feb 27, 2009 1:04 PM:

    " cont'd from last'
    -In California, they couldn't outright ban guns. So instead they have been aggressively redefining what constitutes an 'assault weapon' using barrell lengths, ammo capacity, type of breach, etc so that more and more handguns and rifles will fit the definition and therefore be banned. Also, they began the useless requirement of micro-stamping the casings (so now you just have to scoop up other's spent casings and throw them at a crime scene to pin somebody else). It's becoming so expensive for gun manufacturers to re-tool to keep selling in CA that many won't. Liberals win. "

    DJ wrote on Feb 27, 2009 1:00 PM:

    " As a former gun dealer and Washington resident, let me tell you how the anti-gun establishment has found a 'long way around' to accomplishing it's goals;
    -In Washington, they're pushing for a bill to ban all ammunition that contains lead as an 'environmental concern'. Outright gun ban didn't work in Washington (they tried) so they're hiding under the banner of 'environmentalism' (big seller in Washington) to achieve their aim. Tell me, how much ammo DOESN'T contain lead? You don't ban guns this way, but you do make them useless!
    cont'd- "

    Ben C wrote on Feb 27, 2009 12:53 PM:

    " to MaxKatt;
    And for the record I think the current requirement of background checks is just fine. But when the restrictions grow tighter and tighter...where does it end? Leave the background check in place and call it good. "

    Uncle Jed wrote on Feb 27, 2009 12:52 PM:

    " I'm not legally allowed to own a firearm because a pleaded guilty to misdemeanor domestic violence. I didn't hurt her, just lightly swatted her cheek with my palm. A few years later they made a feel good law restricting firearm ownership for domestic violence offenders, past and future. I would have fought it in court if I would have know they could do that. I didn't think DV assault was a big deal. Be careful. "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Feb 27, 2009 10:21 AM:

    " To Ben C- cont. I'm just trying 2 keep facts straight. 4 record, I do support gun ownership/rights. I do want much greater checks, & control over gun shows. In NE, that's most often where the trouble is. Guys go 2 GA every 2 months buy a load of guns & dump them in NY. Guys w/history of violence/mental problems buying guns unchecked @ shows. We need 2 run criminal/mental cks, finger prints, etc. on all buyers. Common sense 2. Question need for 10 aks or 20 glocks. "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Feb 27, 2009 10:11 AM:

    " To Ben C- 1st, thanks 4 posting link. Typically I do my own searching, but I think it's fair 2 request link/cite of facts if this board is going to have any value in terms of debating issues & exchanging ideas. Ufortuantley, that link didn't get me what I wanted. I Googled around, but didn't find the tight report I wanted. What I did find, however, confirmed what I was questioning you on. If you look at countries like Japan with low gun ownership rates, they also have low gun homicide rates. "

    Observer wrote on Feb 27, 2009 9:24 AM:

    " Attorney General Eric Holder has now officially proposed reinstitution of the assault weapons ban and hopes for more restrictions beyond that. It is time for gun owners and all advocates of the the Constitution to put their politicians feet to the fire on this issue. There is no compromise with tyrany and the Bill of Rights is just that-A BILL OF RIGHTS. Lisa Murkowski voted in favor of Holder. Shame on you Lisa. I never liked the underhanded way Daddy gave you your job. Begich cleverly avoided the issue by not voting. Storm clouds are on the horizon take heed. "

    northern dave wrote on Feb 27, 2009 8:49 AM:

    " I've heard those counter-arguments before (those studies proving that gun control doesn't work are partisan). Unfortunately, EVERY study ever done by an objective group or government shows that it doesn't. If there was proof, don't you think Democrats pushing for it would be pumped up and using it? You know they would! But they can't, so they talk about a broken theory instead of citing evidence. London has the most crime of any industrialized-nation city...and has among the most restrictive gun bans. In terms of domestic crime, Tel Aviv is the lowest where every person has an automatic rifle. "

    Ben C wrote on Feb 27, 2009 8:13 AM:

    " Same article you're refering to...1991. And as I read it, it was paid for by the New England Journal. Also, similar study was conducted by Harvard that showed that the European countries with more guns had less crime than their restrictive neighbors. Australia conducted a study 2 yrs after implenting thier gun ban and found out what? That specifically gun crime had gone UP (armed robbery by 44%, murders by 3%). Same results in Britian. Gun confiscations have increased by 3 million, nearly all smuggled in the black market. And on and on...the evidence is overwhelming. "

    To Ben C from Reader wrote on Feb 27, 2009 7:14 AM:

    " Sorry - my previous post should have read

    "Non-impartial" "

    Reader wrote on Feb 27, 2009 6:14 AM:

    " Ben C -

    You seem to miss the point of my argument - I do not advocate BANNING guns - but advocate registration, real background checks, control of sales at gun shows which in some cases is like buying them on the street (except you do it at a convention) and stopping the "Straw Purchase" of firearms that eventually end up on the streets.

    We need to start somewhere - logic says less illegal guns available - those weapons won't be there on the street. "

    To Ben C from Reader wrote on Feb 27, 2009 6:05 AM:

    " Again only impartial claims taken from gun control websites with out reading ALL the facts. Bryer also said after reading those studies :

    "The upshot is a set of studies and counterstudies that, at most, could leave a judge uncertain about the proper policy conclusion."

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/29/america/guns.php

    The same article refers to a study published in the New England Journal 1991 which says:

    25 percent drop in homicides involving firearms and a 23 percent drop in such suicides

    New England Journal does not conduct studies it reports them. What study are you refering to? "

    Ben C wrote on Feb 26, 2009 9:24 PM:

    " 1.) Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer did massive research on the subject before stating that there is no evidence that gun control laws reduce crime. He also noted that the number of violent crimes actually INCREASED in Washington DC after the gun ban went into effect (1976)
    2.) The New England Journal of Medicine conducted a study with the same results in EVERY location studied that had implemented strict gun control or outright bans.
    3.) The best the American Public Health Administration could come with is that MAYBE banning guns MIGHT reduce suicide! "

    Reader wrote on Feb 26, 2009 5:53 PM:

    " Ben C

    Actually The National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) is an American non-profit conservative think tank

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_for_Policy_Analysis

    Again who is talking a ban here - only reasonable purchase and registration to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals

    The only smoke blowing we see is by the NRA trying to scare people with their rhetoric "

    Ben C wrote on Feb 26, 2009 4:51 PM:

    " Maxkatt;
    Start with visiting the National Center for Policy Analysis;
    http://www.ncpa.org/about/
    They're a non-partisan group that dissects everything the government does with a microscope, Republican or Democrat...doesn't matter. But think about this...when was the last time you saw the government bragging about how well a gun ban was working? You don't. Because it doesn't and they know it. The stats prove different and they would rather keep blowing smoke than state the facts. "

    Reader wrote on Feb 26, 2009 4:30 PM:

    " I checked out the weapon of choice issue and found that a firearm is the weapon of choice when a man kills a woman.

    http://www.advocacynet.org/blogs/index.php/2008/10/06/study-shows-guns-to-be-weapon-of-choice-?blog=145 "

    Reader wrote on Feb 26, 2009 4:29 PM:

    " Dave thanks for keeping our discussion real.

    An update on our latest police shooting is that the officer was shot in the leg with a semi-automatic while serving a warrant. The police fired back shot the bast...d in the head.
    Nothing wrong with defending yourself even for a liberal.

    Deputy Police Commissioner Richard Ross, who briefed reporters, said, "It's a wonderful thing when an officer who was struck by gunfire can actually be the one making the call to his family." "

    Reader wrote on Feb 26, 2009 4:23 PM:

    " Ben C

    Why is it a pain - If you want people to take you seriously document your source it's not that hard.

    Too much garbage on the Internet posted by anyone with access to a computer. "

    Ben C wrote on Feb 26, 2009 3:21 PM:

    " to Maxkatt;
    I'm with those on here that think it's a pain to go back and cite the various sources where that comes from. It's not to hard to find. Start with Australia and the UK. Also, go to the FBI stats for our own country and pay attention to the years the Clinton ban was in effect. Look at cities (Washington DC) before and after the ban. BUT...since there are those that like to scream 'LIAR!' if you don't do the homework for them...I'll gather it back up and post after I get home this evening. "

    Leon wrote on Feb 26, 2009 3:18 PM:

    " unless this Country is going to Guarantee my personal safety, is going to post a secured Million Dollar Plus bond for my personal safety, and same for my kids, and as long as the President, every single judge, every cop and every politician guarantees my and my families personal safety, then I might consider giving up my guns,,but they cannot guarantee it, nor will they stick there necks out,,so folks I for sure will retain my right to use whatever force I deem necessary to protect myself, my family and my property./// "

    Toepunch wrote on Feb 26, 2009 1:13 PM:

    " Wow, the people proposing these new laws should be shot. "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Feb 26, 2009 11:58 AM:

    " To Ben C...Regarding "Here's a fun tidbit for you; EVERY country that has taken away firearms has seen an INCREASE in violent crime! AND...violent crime in the US went UP after Clinton's restrictive firearms ban went into effect! " Please post link to this evidence. Seriously. I'm curious. I'm not advocating any change in current gun regs, but as far as I know, violent crime is lower in every other country with more gun restrictions. "

    northern dave wrote on Feb 26, 2009 11:37 AM:

    " To Reader;
    I'm all for background checks. And if they institute those being required at gun shows, that's fine with me. I'm not a criminal and I've got nothing to worry about. As far as guns being the weapon of choice in this nation's murders...I don't know if the stats will back you up on that. And even if all the guns suddenly disappeared, criminals would still be doing what they do but with knives, bats, etc. just as they have been doing for thousands of years. Firearm control is a dangerous slippery slope. Easy to go to far. "

    Reade wrote on Feb 26, 2009 10:45 AM:

    " Cont'

    This is the reality. Another cop was shot here today. Will let you know his condition later.

    Think the 13 year old bought the gun legally -- we CAN and should put into place safeguards that at least try to curb the supply into the grey market.

    How many of you have been to a gun show where there is no control - just cash sales - here in the lower 48 many of those weapons end up on our streets.

    This is not play for us KIDS ARE DYING "

    Reader wrote on Feb 26, 2009 10:38 AM:

    " To Dave

    There is a lot out of our control - we know that people commit crimes and guns don't - but they are the tools of choice. We can take a rational look at real problems and solve them - or fall back on NRA rhetoric about "the Govenment taking away our guns and our rights. The constitution starts "We the People" not "I the Person"

    Children are dying in our streets - a 11 year old was killed in Phila by a 13 year old last night with a 9mm Cont' "

    Leon wrote on Feb 26, 2009 10:30 AM:

    " why would you want to register your own Personal Private Property? if you own it, then dont register it,,its pretty simple,,registration by definition in code means you are the lessor and the State is the Lessee...people realy need to get a clue on what has application and does not...the government was never given the authority under the Constitution or by implied consent from the people to take personal private property,,which is not Community property. "

    northern dave wrote on Feb 26, 2009 9:50 AM:

    " I still like the analogy I saw on a bumper sticker; If guns cause crime, then spoons are to blame for making people fat! lol "

    DJ wrote on Feb 26, 2009 9:49 AM:

    " Well, there's just not enough room in here to list examples of people killed because of irresponsible drivers and doctors. Many more than irresponsible gun owners, anyway. Like I said, guess it's time to ban cars and doctors. "

    Rick wrote on Feb 26, 2009 6:23 AM:

    " Folks you are getting to excited about this issue. Your Goverment will take care of you. You dont need a constitution to protect you, Your goverment will. They will take away your right to smoke in your car and home as well as tell you what books to read or television to watch. Maybe you shouldnt drive either because to many are killed every year by drunk drivers. You should be politicaly correct and do as your goverment tells you. I dont thik So I would like to keep my constitutional
    rights. Thank You very much. "

    Reader wrote on Feb 25, 2009 5:43 PM:

    " I apologize for not stating "killed or wounded" in my previous post about NYC.

    also

    a 5 year old was killed in Phila Oct 2006

    a pregnant woman was killed in Phila 2007

    a 16 year old was killed in Phila July 2008

    and a 4 year old was killed in Camden NJ (across the Delaware River from Phila Aug 2008

    All killed by STRAY bullets.

    Not just in Philadelphia in all major cities "

    Reader wrote on Feb 25, 2009 4:44 PM:

    " "To Reader" asked how often children are killed by stray bullets. Read the following article

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007/10/15/2007-10-15_outrage_grows_as_bullets_fly_in_city_and-3.html

    In New York City 2007 five were killed by strays between July and October - just one example.

    And where in any of my posts did I say guns should be banned. Don't jump to conclusions.
    I'm talking control NOT ban "

    Reader wrote on Feb 25, 2009 4:40 PM:

    " Endeavour-

    Glad you think its a waste to get the correct info into a discussion - you're the lazy one or don't you want everyone to know that you just make up your arguments. And If you run off at the mouth like I do - just post twice

    Northern Dave-

    I'm pretty liberal and I don't think that banning handguns is in order. My previous posts spoke to that. I'm glad you're careful with your weapons - what about your neighbor? "

    Rokinlamb wrote on Feb 25, 2009 4:23 PM:

    " Thank you to the citizens of Alaska who are taking this matter so seriously. It SHOULD matter to all of us, and writing letters, at this point anyway, is our only method of showing our disapproval. The gentleman from Wasilla is correct.... taking away our guns is just the 1st step. "

    Uncle Jed wrote on Feb 25, 2009 3:24 PM:

    " It's so comforting to see that were not all blindly following the messiah. We can't let a Chicago community organizer take any rights away from us. jp's comment makes a lot of sense. "

    Endeavour wrote on Feb 25, 2009 3:17 PM:

    " Remember folks, if you say anything...remember to post a detailed bibliography of where you get your facts! Waste the 100-word count they give you in here to list your resources as if this is a research paper for the few that are too lazy or too stupid to find if for themselves. "

    northern dave wrote on Feb 25, 2009 2:30 PM:

    " To Reader;
    Thanks to the vets for defending our freedom. I'm one of them. Army, combat vet. You're welcome. Current gun laws are just fine, thank you. Maybe an additional requirement to pass a background check at gun shows would be in order. But the liberal dream of banning handguns is nonsense. Are criminals going to abide by these laws? What a joke. Oh, and thanks for reminding me about firearm safety within my home. And here I was handing loaded guns to my children over the dinner table. "

    To Reader wrote on Feb 25, 2009 2:20 PM:

    " Good point. So we need to also restrict knives, bats, large rocks, rope etc. And you say guns should be outlawed because of random bullets flying around neighborhoods killing people? Where do you live? How often does this really happen? All of us gun owners are walking around letting bullets fly? Or are you saying it only happens sometimes? Because far more people are killed due to irresponsible drivers and doctors than by irresponsible gun owners. Guess you better outlaw cars and doctors, too. "

    Reader wrote on Feb 25, 2009 1:24 PM:

    " Everyone is throwing around statistics - how about some documentation. If your going to state it document it.

    Hey DJ - no one wants to take the gun you have in your house. Oh yeah the majority are stolen from homes see "Mayors Against Illegal Guns Report"

    http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/pdf/trace_report_final.pdf

    Just make sure that burglars can't get them.
    YOUR RESPONSIBILITY!!!!!

    We liberals feel strongly about this issue - we value bravery of our peace officers they put their lives on the line every day and anything we can do to make there job safer we do. "

    Reader wrote on Feb 25, 2009 1:07 PM:

    " All the cops who died had guns – only the scum who killed them had bigger guns. No one wants to take away your rifle and sidearm. I carry one myself when I hike the Bob Marshall in Montana. Regulate the “straw sale” from states like Virginia & Georgia so that bulk purchases don't end up on our streets. Regulate sales at gun shows. If your not doing anything illegal you have nothing to worry about. "

    Reader wrote on Feb 25, 2009 1:06 PM:

    " Northern Dave-

    I enjoyed your FICTIONAL short story.

    This is the REALITY - I live in the city of Brotherly Love (Phila) not so brotherly these days though. Since 2006 we have had 8 police officers die here on the streets in the last two years. The latest a 25 year old with a wife 5 months pregnant. His dad was a cop and so is his brother. He spent 4 years in the army (with tours in Iraq) defending your right to posses a firearm. Maybe a little more regulation could of saved his life. "

    Reader wrote on Feb 25, 2009 12:35 PM:

    " Observer you don't get it. When there is a gun battle on the streets here in the big city the bullets fly everywhere and in many circumstances strays end up in people's homes killing children.

    Go ahead - justify the death of a child because of weak sale and registration laws.

    "The person is the responsible party - guns don't kill people - people kill people"

    I have some news for you - some people are not responsible - they take advantage of every flaw and loophole in the law. "

    DJ wrote on Feb 25, 2009 12:16 PM:

    " Over 90% of all firearms used while committing a crime are stolen. So we let the liberals stomp all over the 2nd Amendment and remove our ability to purchase firearms...so what? Criminals will still have them. So what have you accomplished (besides your ability to defend yourself)? I'm sure criminals LOVE the idea of breaking into a house knowing that the residents don't have firearms! Oh, that's right...in the land of liberal make-believe you call the police and they instantly materialize in your living room. Or they show up...after somebody has been killed, raped, etc. "

    Wrong Boo wrote on Feb 25, 2009 11:45 AM:

    " Not Obama's bill? Really? Seems to be that then-Senator Obama was one of the chief supporters of nearly every anti-gun bill that arrived at the Hill. He was also a co-sponser of the bill to get us to sign off on the UN agreement supporting, among other things, the banning of private ownership of handguns. "

    BOO wrote on Feb 25, 2009 10:14 AM:

    " DO not blame this on Obama, is is not his bill. Those that spread lies will surely burn somewhere or in my mind only, who cares! Yes Obama has supported certain gun laws, this is not his and he has no vote on what is a dead bill anyway. "

    Lose your guns wrote on Feb 25, 2009 10:10 AM:

    " Yes it is the first step along with the Ammunition Accountability Act, beware. Attend the gun show at Raven Hall and stock up on personal defense items and do not forget adequate ammo. If is in you best interest. "

    allen wrote on Feb 25, 2009 9:36 AM:

    " Gee. What a nasty bunch of comments. Sure makes my day. I think I'll go for a walk up towards Jim Creek. "

    Amazed wrote on Feb 25, 2009 9:02 AM:

    " The pure unadulterated ignorance of many of the anti gun crowd is simply amazing especially those that believe full automatic ("machine guns' for those of you from California,N.Y. and Massachusetts) are common and used in hunting. The Federal Firearms Act of 1934 strictly regulates the small number of full automatic(Class 3) firearms in the U.S.. These weapons are not hunting firearms and generally are in the hands of collectors. The full auto weapons used in crime are obtained illegally or modified.Possession of these are a federal felony with severe penalties. Enforcement lies in the courts. Avoid mindless rants through education. "

    Observer wrote on Feb 25, 2009 8:33 AM:

    " "Reader"-reread my previous post SLOWLY(answer FBI). Your post implies you are a lower 48 urban resident. I respect your choice not to own a gun for recreation,defense of family or any other reason. Its sad that you live in an environment where your children are at the mercy of scumbags who will never obey any law. You choose to be a victim,ok by me. Self defense is a basic human right given by GOD and merely reaffirmed by the Constitution. It is not about hunting but a gaurantee that we remain a free people.The Second Ammendment gaurantees all the others. "

    northern dave wrote on Feb 25, 2009 7:24 AM:

    " HISTORY OF THE WORLD AS ANTI-GUN PEOPLE SEE IT;
    For thousands of years, man lived in total peace and harmony. The Romans, Carpethians, Mongols etc achieved thier empires through social programs and hugs. Then, along came guns. And this is where they can't agree on what happened. Did man suddenly develop the tendency to commit crimes thanks to the gun? Or maybe guns cause crime through sprouting little arms and legs and running around shooting people? Either way, if we didn't have guns then crime would go down (back to the peaceful days of knives, bats, large rocks, etc.) "

    Ben C wrote on Feb 25, 2009 7:18 AM:

    " I see at least two posts in here that make a bizarre twist of gun rights=owning fully automatic rifles and shooting animals with them. How, exactly, does that correlate? Oh, and another thing...to point out that the increase in violent crime is only due to population increase is WRONG! Population increase is taken into account when the FBI releases thier annual report. (And, it DROPPED in 2001 and has not increased significantly since then.) If you want to blather nonsense about guns=crime, at least find some honest facts to support it. "

    Reader wrote on Feb 25, 2009 6:27 AM:

    " Hey Observer

    What - those 200,000 gonna get in their cars driver to Alaska to get you - those 200,000 (where did you get your stats) are down here in the lower 48. Most get their guns though weak regulation on sales and registration. How many children have to die from stray bullets so you can hang on to your notion that you keep the Government under control by owning a gun. "

    Reader wrote on Feb 25, 2009 6:19 AM:

    " Jim - Don't apologize to anyone here on the blog - they don't care about your apology only about pushing their paranoid notion that the Gov is going to take their guns. Grow up folks we have regulation and licensure in everything we do. No licenses for Doctor's, Pharmacist's - Surgery at the Wal-Mart - let's let your cancer medications be prepared in a back room. If you are not doing anything illegal you have nothing to worry about. It must be a wonderful site to see an animal explode being shot with an automatic weapon. "

    J.T. Derrire wrote on Feb 25, 2009 5:48 AM:

    " I can throw out indiscriminate predictions and uneducated guesses too; I heard the sixth step will be the President will confiscate all guns (from B.B. to salad shooters) from owners and place them in a rocket that he sends crashing into the sun to get rid of all firearms at once. Then the seventh step will go into action by relocating an unarmed American population to the moon. Once he has the country to himself he’ll then start with the eighth step which is so diabolical I can’t even bring myself to say it. You heard it here first! "

    To Ben C... wrote on Feb 24, 2009 9:10 PM:

    " I love that anti-gun-control folks love to bring up the "violent crimes increase" factoid...but the fact is the number of violent crimes increase proportionately to population and the violent crime rate doesn't actually increase. Furthermore, the types of violent crimes change resulting in fewer homicides. Lastly, the Obama administration and "leftist" Congress as some have put it, have done nothing to restrict hunting and personal protection gun ownership. I don't think my neighbor deserves to own a fully automatic machine gun just because he was born in this country and neither did our fore-fathers. "

    Founders wrote on Feb 24, 2009 8:29 PM:

    " Maybe the mistrust of a overbearing Government has to do with the 2nd ammendment? i believe Jefferson warned us of this when he advised of the need for revolution on a regular basis to keep the govenment in line! Maybe all should study the actual intent of our Republic and the limited powers originally given the feds. "

    Different strokes for different folks wrote on Feb 24, 2009 8:02 PM:

    " I read HR 45 and I don't see how they would take any ones fire arms. Maybe I am missing something, but it seems like they are trying to seperate the legal gun owners (you all) from illegal gun holders (gang members). I may be wrong. What they do can is by way of the Patriot Act (Bush Administration) label you all as domestic terrorist and take you away to secret prisons. Rendition is still being conducted in the new administration. I watch to see if they come take your guns and help you fight if they try. "

    EJL wrote on Feb 24, 2009 3:54 PM:

    " Response Observer. GReat post hit it on the head criminals are just that criminal. THey have already shown a disregard for the law. Maybe taking the guns away from the population will stop criminals from being criminals, BUt I dont think that will help at all. It will just make the population an easier target to be exploited. "

    Observer wrote on Feb 24, 2009 2:06 PM:

    " Current FBI statistics state that 80% of all crime in America is commited by gangs numbering 200,000 or so individuals. Most of these have long criminal records. Felons are prohibited by federal law from possessing firearms.They do not obey the current laws and will ignore futue laws. It is unrealistic and arrogant to expect honest Americans to obey any gun laws proposed that will put us at the mercy of criminals and eventually lead to confiscation as has already occured in England and Canada. With the current economy can we afford the 20,000,000 jail cells for those not complying? "

    Observer wrote on Feb 24, 2009 1:47 PM:

    " The Obama regime is ready to act on bills such as HR 45 through Attorney General Eric Holder and the leftist Congess. Holder has a record of favoring pardons for Puerto Rican terrorists and corrupt financier Marc Rich. Holder filed an Amicus Brief in the Heller case opposing the rights of gun owners. The Obamanistas have been quick to consolidate power through the economic crisis in their plan for a Socialist America. The Second Ammendment protects all the others. Fear a government that fears an armed citizenry. Join the NRA and Gun Owners of America and defend freedom. "

    Ben C wrote on Feb 24, 2009 12:57 PM:

    " to the 'to RK' blogger; when it comes to the notion of restricting gun control, the comparison to Nazi Germany is accurate. One of Hitler's first acts was to remove citizen-ownership of firearms. And what's this 'gun problem' you're ranting about? Don't you mean 'crime'. (Because golly gee...there was NEVER crime before guns now, was there?) Here's a fun tidbit for you; EVERY country that has taken away firearms has seen an INCREASE in violent crime! AND...violent crime in the US went UP after Clinton's restrictive firearms ban went into effect! "

    Jim from Boston wrote on Feb 24, 2009 12:25 PM:

    " I apologize, Jennifer. I'm just trying to get to know you good folks. It's kind of a foreign culture to me. "

    oh my wrote on Feb 24, 2009 11:44 AM:

    " The scared little right-wingers cry that the sky is falling. As a gun owner I'm not worried but then, I don't watch Fox news or listen to Rush Dimbaugh either.
    Actually the NRA nuts are just as bad but I already said the little right-wingers are crying that the sky is falling, so that certainly includes them. "

    jp wrote on Feb 24, 2009 9:37 AM:

    " buy used guns from private sources, make sure you buy guns that use NATO rounds, that ensures ease of access to an amazing amount of ammunition at bargain prices, and do not register them!

    it really is that simple. "

    To R.K. wrote on Feb 24, 2009 9:06 AM:

    " Please open a few history books. Make an effort to truly understand how utterly offensive your comparison is of the Obama Administration to the "4th Reich", as you put it. Your letter is selfish and worthless for making change. We DO have a gun problem in this country. How do you suggest we get guns out of the hands of criminals? "

    Jennifer wrote on Feb 24, 2009 8:23 AM:

    " Hey Jim from BOSTON - Go read your own paper. The election is long over as is anyone's concerns over our state so but out. Stick to things you actually know about "

    silly Jim again wrote on Feb 24, 2009 8:20 AM:

    " I love Jim from Boston's comment. What else can you expect from one of the loons that supports his states restrictive gun laws (among the most anti-2nd amendment in the nation!) Keep voting for the drunken slob, Jim! You're getting the government you deserve! "

    Oops wrote on Feb 24, 2009 7:12 AM:

    " Hysteria breeds poor judgment. People in FBX need to stop with the show of force "we're openly packing" wow! don't know about all of you but I wasn't impressed. This asinine move shows stupidity by these gun owners. Get a petitions, have community meetings for support but pistol packing openly will scare the ones you are trying to show responsible handling. IF one incident occurs during the 2 weeks of open carrying you've made it worse. I pray for your self control so we may keep our rights. "

    Jim from Boston wrote on Feb 24, 2009 6:11 AM:

    " Yup, and next U.N. blue helmets will be sent by Obama to collect your firearms, right?

    What do you folks do all day, put "Red Dawn" on a 24/7 loop? "

    M.R Local wrote on Feb 23, 2009 10:31 PM:

    " Hey RK just so you know the bill has no cosponsors and is not going into any committee so as of now it is still a dead bill. "

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