Fair mulls land sale

By Andrew Wellner
Frontiersman
Published on Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:52 PM AKDT

PALMER — The Alaska State Fair is weighing the possibility of selling 40 acres of land to a local industrial training school, but Valley farmers are concerned.

“We have an offer from NIT to purchase that land for a school, a pretty extensive school, it’s pretty impressive,” said fair general manager Ray Ritari.

NIT stands for Northern Industrial Training. The group is based in Palmer and currently runs a truck driving school, which they conduct in the fair’s parking lots.

Courtesy A schematic drawing of the proposed Northern Industrial Training facility. The new campus plans include classrooms, gymnasium, kitchen, recreation area and study hall. Also, a wastewater training facility, wind turbines, fabrication and paint shop are in the plans.

Ritari said the deal, if it’s made, is a long ways off and has been ongoing since September.

“I haven’t even had a chance to talk to a real estate attorney to develop a contract,” he said. “We are a ways from it happening.”

The fair’s Board of Director’s meeting Thursday drew a standing-room-only crowd.

Most everyone who testified, with a few notable exceptions, opposed the plan.

Ben VanderWeele said he’d offered to buy the land himself to make it a part of VanderWeele Farms. Board president John Harkey told him to speak to Ritari who could then bring VanderWeele’s proposal to the board for consideration.

“I promise you that it will remain in agriculture forever,” VanderWeele said.

Arthur Keyes of the Glacier Valley Farm also spoke at the meeting. He said he’s not opposed to a training school, but doesn’t want it on the 40 acres of land that was one part of the Hamilton Farm.

“We live in a state that there’s lots of land but, comparatively, there’s very little farmland in Alaska,” Keyes said in an interview prior to the meeting.

And the type of land in question, what farmers refer to as Tier II land, is the best Alaska has to offer. It’s also very rare. The plot in question, he said, is currently a hay field. But that doesn’t mean it’s not valuable. To clear a similar plot from forested land and start farming, he said, would involve a process stretching out over multiple years.

Also at the meeting, board members heard from Todd Pettit, another farmer, who noted that Valley residents spend a lot of time digging up old plows to put in museums. But then they pave the farmland “and call it progress.”

Assemblywoman Michelle Church also came to speak. As an Assemblywoman she told the board about the Borough’s efforts to promote farmland preservation.

As an individual, she said, “I think you guys need to take a long-term vision,” and explore other options.

Ritari, in an interview, said that, from the fair’s perspective, there’s more than just a land sale here. They have plans to buy another parcel currently owned by Alaska Demolition. With this money, they could do that without going into debt.

More than that, though, having the school next to the fair will allow for the partnerships with NIT.

The students in the classes, he said, “will be used over here at the fairgrounds so we can keep our buildings in better maintenance conditions.”

Krista Gonder, Chief Financial Officer for NIT, agreed with Ritari about the partnership. It’s something, she said, that they already do.

“We just also helped build that mile of road up to the railroad depot there. That was our students that did that,” she said.

She said the facility plan calls for dormitories, wind turbines and a power generation facility. Students will fix and operate those things and also take classes in pipefitting, heavy equipment operation. All are skills they’ll need to work on projects like the natural gas pipeline and in the oil and gas sector. That would, in turn, allow companies to fill those jobs with in-state hires.

They’d do that now if they could, but, “the problem that we have right now is that we’re limited on space,” Gonder said. “We don’t have enough classrooms we don’t have enough shops and labs to teach.”

   

Contact Andrew Wellner at andrew.wellner@frontiersman.com or 352-2270.

Comments

52 comment(s)

    Jed wrote on Mar 25, 2009 5:22 PM:

    " jp, you are so foolish, you know nothing of my politics, i hate social hand outs like your farmer types always waiting for the handout, others are right about you, you blog all over and know nothing. I will not waste time on you further, NEXT!~ "

    jp to Jed wrote on Mar 25, 2009 11:29 AM:

    " If i cannot read, nor comprehend, then i expect you to respect me by calling me "senator J.P." or "Representative J.P."
    as i know for fact that i have read more of the Obomnibus bill than any of the likes of Mark Begich. and that idiot signed off on it, and you elected the moron! "

    Jed wrote on Mar 24, 2009 10:02 AM:

    " jp cannot read nor comprehend, thus the reason he is home blogging all day. I have way more respect for Jethro and the chimp Mr Clampett sir. "

    Uncle Jed wrote on Mar 23, 2009 12:43 AM:

    " You people ripping on jp need to back off. He is a wise man. Respect him. "

    Spankles wrote on Mar 23, 2009 12:41 AM:

    " Couldn't people create some new farmland. That would be cool. there is not enough open fields around here. I like how you can see the mountains and scenery better with land free of trees. "

    just stupid wrote on Mar 19, 2009 9:11 AM:

    " jp, without horses farmer would burn hay for heat. You know that if a farmer buys the land that you pay for most of it? There will be a 3% sales tax measure on the June special ballot, that is how the farmers will share you wealth. Maybe my name is actually yours or should be. "

    jp to just stupid wrote on Mar 19, 2009 8:23 AM:

    " i know people who buy hay for their stock, not just horses, but dairy cows and beef steers. where will these people get their hay when all the farmland has been paved over? "

    Just stupid wrote on Mar 18, 2009 6:23 PM:

    " jp, read the post, we don't eat horses do we, thus they are for recreation.....NOT FOOD "

    True Alaskan Gal wrote on Mar 18, 2009 1:46 PM:

    " No farmer has made any offer to buy, that is the fact of the entire matter. "

    Ben C wrote on Mar 18, 2009 12:40 PM:

    " Maxkatt;
    Some of the world's largest vegetables grow up here. Look it up. Summer=sun almost round-the-clock, so even though the growing season is shorter, what you plant doesn't stop growing. The Mat-Su valley is Alaska's farm belt and another one of the ways Alaska is capable of being self-sufficient. Alaska is far from what you see in the movies. We have several different and distinct climate zones. "

    jp wrote on Mar 18, 2009 12:14 PM:

    " our "fair" isn't really much of a "fair" anymore, it's more or less a flea market for vendors, it has little to do with agriculture or livestock .
    it is not anything but a larger saturday market like in anchorage. only with less crafts and less produce.
    The hay for horses reference is astounding, what? horses don't need to eat? a lot of that hay goes toward other livestock as well, like dairy cows.
    Milk comes from cows, it doesn't just appear in the stores magically in white jugs. "

    Landowner wrote on Mar 18, 2009 11:00 AM:

    " jp, What about the day the fair grows and moves the carnival over to some farmland, what will all of you do? Hay for horses was a great reference here. "

    jp wrote on Mar 18, 2009 7:48 AM:

    " maxx, i said keep it for farmland.
    EG just proved my point to a tee, wouldn't know sarcasm if it hit him upside his/her head. EG is the epitome of the term "ridiculously stupid" if you took any of those blatantly obvious sarcastic posts seriously, you need to at least rent a clue.
    always keep the farm land as farm land, there is plenty of parcels where a school could be built that would not destroy something that is not replaceable. "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Mar 17, 2009 7:26 PM:

    " I'm shocked to learn there even is farming up there. So...I guess I would vote for using the land for farming. (Sorry JP)

    ...Other than hydroponics, I wouldn't have imagined you had any agriculture. :-) Whatya plant on Independence Day and pluck on labor day??? "

    E G wrote on Mar 17, 2009 1:13 PM:

    " jp, You back off of your points and make new ones quickly, and I understand why,...they are mostly invalid. Speaking of go back to where you are from..... go back to Oregon. I was born and raised in this state. I get to say how it is and you don't. You are an idiot, and I believe that is proven by the number of preople you are trying to argue with at the same time. I don't need to make any points, they were made by 90% of the other posters. The word for you is minority. "

    jp wrote on Mar 17, 2009 12:30 PM:

    " so now recreation is a bad thing?
    well heck, let's just go slaughter the horses then, they have no place in an educated society. mow all the fields down, and pave them, as dirt is just..............dirty! "

    True Alaskan Gal wrote on Mar 17, 2009 10:17 AM:

    " Both myself and my wifes family dates back to the 40's and 50's. They and us, Pioneers. Land is sold all over by farmers to developers. The fair bought the land not to farm, but to sell as a designated buffer to separate themselves from homeowners that also bought farm land on which their homes are built. Hay for recreational horses is grown on this land, farming for food? I doubt that. We don't eat horse do we? Education is the security of the country as much as horse hay, that is a nobrainer. "

    jn wrote on Mar 17, 2009 6:29 AM:

    " I've been here in the Valley for 35 years and don't plan on leaving and I'm not from California. Discussing an issue with you is like talking to a red brick wall. "

    jp wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:55 PM:

    " farming is a disappearing art, our schools don't have FFA anymore, nor do they even have 4H. Our country is so commercialized, and so dependent on other countries for their farming, i fear that if something bad happens, our country cannot feed itself.
    I certainly hope that i am wrong. "

    jp to jn wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:50 PM:

    " they, being whoever made the earth, and the sun, and the water and all that stuff ( the jury is still out on that one)
    i grew up on farmland, seen what the overwhelming bunch of california influence can do to another area (Oregon) they absolutely ruined Oregon.
    and the Evil Horde just keeps moving north. did they not pave and mason enough land in california? why do they feel that they have to ruin our area too?
    if you don't like the way we live up here, go back to Cali!!!!!!! "

    jn wrote on Mar 16, 2009 6:45 PM:

    " jp I never said I was a farmer although I have grown spuds in rocky soil. That wasn't my point. You seem to be rather sarcastic with your idea of always being right and everyone else is wrong. You are right" they don't make farm land anymore", kind of got me scratching my head on that remark. Who are they? I do agree with you that farm land should be just that farm land but tell that to the kids of farmers that have sold the farmland and created the subdivisions you all live in. Progress $$$ I hate it "

    jp wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:47 AM:

    " okay jn, you go grow your crop over in the gravel pit, you're right, you are an awesome farmer, let us all know when your crop comes to fruition, we'll judge it at the fair!
    I'm glad to see that you came to the realization that i am right, and everyone else is wrong, you have made the first step toward common sense thinking. "

    Born to FARM wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:07 AM:

    " NIT relies heavily on grants and other forms of state funding to "educate" students. Could NIT get a grant to purchase land somewhere else? Besides, those big "STUDENT DRIVER" semi trucks scare me! "

    jn wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:39 AM:

    " jp I would watch who you are calling stupid. I have notices that you seem to have an opinion on all sorts of topics on this blog, yours always being right and everyone else is wrong. Now I am curious as to just how long have you resided in the Valley? A quote from you "take some other area that has no fertile top soil (like most of the valley) and build there" are you serious. I guess the colonist should of checked in with you before they came in groves to farm the Matanuska Valley. Sterile land???????? "

    jp wrote on Mar 15, 2009 1:57 PM:

    " some of you people are ridiculously stupid.
    keep the fertile farm land for farming, take some other area that has no fertile top soil (like most of the valley) and build there.
    There should be some common sense about this, think about it this way:
    can you build a school over gravel?
    cand you grow a crop in gravel?

    is that simple enough for you ? "

    cottonwood49 wrote on Mar 15, 2009 12:28 PM:

    " Sell it to the school, then build the coal/gas powerplant and the new prison out there along the Glenn Highway. Oh, I forgot, we don't want any jobs or development here in Palmer. "

    Just stupid wrote on Mar 15, 2009 9:36 AM:

    " And the majority of the hay grown feeds horses and pleasure animals, not anything to do with food for human consumption "

    Russ wrote on Mar 15, 2009 7:13 AM:

    " This so called "farmland" is not "farm" land. It is feilds of grass. How many of you eat grass? Take away the agriculture tax breaks for growing grass then either grow food for human consumption or put in businesses and subdivisions. I don't beleive this is about farmland anyway, it is clearly just an anti-growth move. "

    Alternative wrote on Mar 14, 2009 2:31 PM:

    " Why not put the facility on the Kenai Penninsula, Pt.Machenzie or in Houston? All three of these areas could use an economic boost . I agree with Michelle Church that the MSB should make every effort to preserve our rare and irreplacable farm land and help our farmers. If we pave over and urbanize the Mat Su we will have lost the unique qualities that brought us here. I am not an enviromentalist or "tree hugger" by any means. As a 37 year Alaskan and long standing resident of Mat Su I feel we must tempor growth with common sense. "

    Outer Springer Resident wrote on Mar 14, 2009 1:56 PM:

    " Life is pretty good here now and I would hate to see the type of growth that will ultimately turn the Palmer area into an over congested mess like Wasilla. This sale to NIT will put pressure on farmers to sell even more land to accomadate the large increase in population . Combs@company will gleefully push their unwanted annexation plans once again and we the people will be forced to organize and thwart them as we did in 2007. Let's preserve the quality of life we have. Perhaps there is a piece of Borough,State or Federal land more appropriate? "

    jn wrote on Mar 14, 2009 12:37 PM:

    " jp......and what toxic landfill would you like to build this school on. I mean heck there just a bunch of Democrats trying to better themselves with a school.... "

    jp to Lady Farmer wrote on Mar 14, 2009 11:34 AM:

    " we already have that mob Ms.Farmer. it is known as "Zoning Enforcement" if you wanted to start a business at your house, you would not be able to, due to zoning regulation infractions, and you would be cited.
    i'm saying if this is agricultural land, it should be zoned as such, and protected to stay that way. there are plenty of parcels of land that would be conducive to the formation of a school, this one is precious, it is fertile land, and should be retained as agricultural forever. "

    Allen wrote on Mar 14, 2009 11:12 AM:

    " How many of the folks badmouthing those that would like us to retain farmland, think that we will forever import quality food from outside at an affordable price? How many of those that answered yes to that question thought that oil prices would explode to $140 per barrel then drop to $40 per barrel at the same time the economy was tanking to the lowest level since the great depression? I sure didn't. Our sources of food are very fragile. We had better maintain existing resources for food production or we may rue the day we sold out. "

    Lady farmer wrote on Mar 14, 2009 10:15 AM:

    " jp, how would you like some would be mob to tell you what to do with your PRIVATE PROPERTY? As one man said we fought the British to gain rights to own land and enjoy the priviledge thereof offered. Are you a commie or just part of that mob? "

    jp wrote on Mar 14, 2009 9:58 AM:

    " no, i'm saying, retain it as farmland, as they don't make anymore of it!!! put a school on some unusable land! "

    annoymous wrote on Mar 14, 2009 1:24 AM:

    " move that Nit somewhere else not near fairgrounds!!!! "

    E G wrote on Mar 13, 2009 7:09 PM:

    " jp, are you really equating building low income housing to building an educational facility that will stimulate economy through job creation and the production of skilled workers who can make money (then spend money, further stimulating the economy. Economics 101). This is exactly the opposite of Obama's plans and the Democratic way. By the way, the farmers and their tax breaks follow the Democratic method much more closely. I hope I am misunderstanding your post because it makes no sense. "

    boo wrote on Mar 13, 2009 5:04 PM:

    " jp, are farmers democrat? No idea?? "

    jp wrote on Mar 13, 2009 4:40 PM:

    " and the next thing is :
    The democrats will shut the fairgrounds down, because they had a gun sale there! "

    jp wrote on Mar 13, 2009 4:38 PM:

    " i think the whole area should be turned into low income housing, no need for agriculture, Obama will feed all of us, and we won't even have to work.
    so, go max out your credit cards, write bad checks, sign up to be a democrat, and praise the allmighty Obama !




    SHEESE!!!! "

    E G wrote on Mar 13, 2009 2:59 PM:

    " I commend the majority of you guys for your knowledgable commnents.They are so pointed that I don't feel the need to add anything. For some exasperating giberish with no research behind it, go to the comments at ADN about this. "

    Waiting for spring wrote on Mar 13, 2009 12:01 PM:

    " I also attended that meeting, my mind was changed and certainly after the hostile attitudes I was exposed. Some of the crowd needed a visit to the woodshed! I wonder why the fair even opened the meeting to the public? One very rude man who understood nothing stated that there was no public hearing as their was when the fair tried to get its racing permit, he knows so much but does not know the City Limits apparently, fair is in city, land is not. I am surprised noone from the fair corrected him. "

    attendee wrote on Mar 13, 2009 11:56 AM:

    " Chuck says ---PLEASE let's not do this. "... Hey when you want to sell your property I expect you to ask me and then when I tell you don't, please heed my request. DO you want others telling you what to do with your assets? I attended the meeting last night. It was apparent that the farm community could care less about the fair, the fair allowed them to attend with intent to damage the fair by scaring off NIT. The Fair was most gracious allowing the public , I would not have. "

    Michelle Church wrote on Mar 13, 2009 11:47 AM:

    " Someone once told me "We don't need farms anymore, we have all these stores here now." Subsidies go to big farms in the states and other countries to offset the costs of transporting that food to nongrowing areas. 50 or 100 years from now, when there is no good farmland left, our children will wonder why their grandparents didn't understand where food comes from. "

    Just stupid wrote on Mar 13, 2009 10:46 AM:

    " Hello Pat, yes greed is in play, by farmers using your borough tax dollars, you willing to pay more for special interest? I am not and will fight the farmland trust in future endeavors as I have the facts regarding that twisted group of tax leeches. I say check it out on your own, and send them a donation for the trust if it really means so much to you, bet they would like that. Bet you don't send a penny. Again it is just stupid to do bad business. "

    Educate Grow weeds wrote on Mar 13, 2009 10:16 AM:

    " What a great idea for the Palmer area, farmers producing 1 acre out of 40 and they demand more? Bring on the education, and the training, the fair and area will all benefit far more than the grass. You subsidized farmers gain huge tax dollars from you.
    Sell the land and let the those with brains do there thing. "

    JUST STUPID wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:28 AM:

    " The fair a private corp. is selling part of their land to repurchase another piece and provide some infrastructure needs for the fair, lose the sale we may lose the fair, land all over for sale and idiots think the fair needs be accountable to farmers, I think not, the fairs needs to be responsible to the fair, where were the farmers as land all over was sold for way less than the offer the fair received on the land, to sell for less is just STUPID. "

    Ladyfarmer would be. wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:26 AM:

    " Hey people, this is PRIVATE PROPERTY! This is none of the publics business, period, get over it! Hey farm trust will you buy me some land that I can resell later for two profits? Sounds pretty sweet to me! "

    Whining farmers abound here wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:24 AM:

    " Main producer of income ? Excuse me, your local borough tax dollars fund Trust purchases, free tags, low tax and all you pay for farmers is the biggest number here. The only real farmers in the valley that make real living are those that grow pot! Educational security for America is the answer, not small garden farmers eating up public funds for the very small minds of the self serving farm community. Also private property so just shut up. "

    Chuck Legge wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:18 AM:

    " I've worked with the people from NIT and they are a conscientious group, but let's not lose any more farm land. Particularly that piece of farm land. It's just east of the purple parking lot after Inner Springer Loop makes it's turn. There's a lot of land available along the Palmer Wasilla Highway. In fact, the Operating Engineers Union is moving it's training facility and there's a big plot of land available with existing buildings available. One thing we don't have in abundance is quality farm land. PLEASE let's not do this. "

    bms wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:09 AM:

    " so does this mean the fair will be gone? or where will it go? am i understanding this right? "

    pat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 7:21 AM:

    " since farming is one of the main producers of income for the Valley, that land should be retained for farming. Greed must be the key factor out here now. "

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