Sales vs. property

BY ANDREW WELLNER
Frontiersman
Published on Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:17 PM AKDT

PALMER — The Borough Assembly is considering a sales tax and, so far, the head administrators in Houston, Wasilla and Palmer aren’t happy.

“I can almost assure you that our merchants are not going to be pleased with this,” said Palmer City Man ager Bill Allen.

Wasilla Mayor Verne Rupright agreed with Allen.

ROBERT DeBERRY/Frontiersman A bicycle at BackCountry Bikes in Palmer is priced at $260. Add in a 3 percent city sales tax and you get $7.80 jump in price. The Mat-Su Borough is considering another 3 percent tax, which would bring the total to $275.60.

“I just don’t get it, other than they’re going after the money the cities are getting,” Rupright said.

Up in Houston, Mayor Roger Purcell is similarly opposed.

“We’re going to get taxation without representation inside the cities,” he said.

The tax, as it has been proposed, would be levied at 3 percent across the borough. But the cities already have a sales tax — 3 percent in Palmer, 2.5 percent in Wasilla, and 2 percent in Houston. The borough tax would stack on top of the city tax — essentially doubling the tax rate. The Borough Assembly is due to vote on whether to put the measure to a vote of the people Tuesday.

Cindy Bettine, represents Big Lake on the assembly and, along with Pete Houston, who represents Palmer, is sponsoring the bill. She said the sales tax is an effort to even out what’s a deep uneven taxation system.

“Right now, the majority of the local taxes that are collected are through the property tax,” Bettine said. “It is an unfair situation.”

The ordinance she’s pushing for, she said, includes a capping on property taxes at 7.8 mills. That would be a significant reduction, she said, from the current property tax levy of 10.23 mills.

“I will not support a sales tax without an areawide property tax cap,” Bettine said.

She also pointed out that the tax cap would apply to borough property taxes collected everywhere — municipal residents would get the same reduction as those outside of cities.

When she hears that cities are opposed, she said, the first question that comes to mind is, “Are you talking about what does the administrations think about it or are you talking about what do the people within the cities think about it?”

At the Borough Assembly’s March 13 meeting, the body heard from a local taxpayer who echoed much of Bettine’s sentiments.

John Nolin said he’d come to the meeting, in his words, to whine about the sticker shock he experienced when he received his property tax bill. 

“I’m paying a lot of tax money now,” Nolin said. “You need to start spreading that burden out to other people.”

But the cities say they’re worried about a number of things.

First, Allen said, there’s the effect it will have on local business.

“We want people to open businesses here and be competitive and generate jobs,” Allen said. “We don’t want to be in the situation where we’re gouging the consumer.”

And he, like the two city mayors, questioned what the tax money will be used for.

“I served on that body (assembly) and it appears to me that they are well-managed, they have good liquidity, they have good cash flow, they have expansion plans,” Allen said.

On that point Bettine was clear — the tax will be used to offset property taxes, not to raise more money for the borough.

Rupright raised the question of how the taxes will be collected. The sales tax, for Wasilla, is really the city’s bread and butter. He’s worried about having to rely on the borough to hand over the cash when the city starts having to cut checks.

Purcell raised much the same issue, saying that when flooding hit the borough in 2006, Houston was late in getting its share of property tax revenue.

“I’m sorry that they had a flood but we’ve still got a city run,” Purcell said.

Both Purcell and Rupright said they’d be on board with a sales tax that was levied everywhere but inside the cities. In explaining why, Purcell brought up a gripe somewhat common in his neck of the borough.

“Seeing as how the borough doesn’t provide any functions other than schools inside the cities, they should exempt the cities.”

But, Bettine said, the tax simply won’t work if it was implemented that way.

“It’s dead in the water if we did that. That’s the way I see it,” Bettine said. “You wouldn’t be able to cap the mill rate if we did that.”

And she doesn’t see a reason to. Borough residents from outside the city shop in Wasilla and Palmer all the time and it’s fair that their areas benefit from a portion of the taxes they pay. Tourists and visitors passing through on the Glenn and Parks highways utilize a lot of borough services but don’t pay for them. A sales tax would be a way to capture some of the money those folks spend.

Plus, the cities benefit from lots of borough services, she said. Just this year, she said the bulk of the borough lobbying efforts have been directed at the cities. The borough’s top lobby priority has been obtaining state matching funds for a raft of road projects, most of them inside either Palmer or Wasilla.

“We’re all in this together,” she said.

And, she said, really all they’re doing is putting it to a vote.

“I’m getting a lot of e-mails that are for and against my idea,” she  said. “It’s about even right now. It’s a toss up, really.”

Comments

48 comment(s)

    ripped off wrote on Apr 19, 2009 10:01 AM:

    " can anyone tell me why big lake cant have a 10.326 mill rate. why do we have a mill rate 2%- 6% higher than the rest of the borough? The mill rate should be the same for all the borough. We have no pool, no community center, nothing but a hand in our pocket. EQUELAZATION! "

    jp wrote on Apr 8, 2009 7:39 AM:

    " come on people, you know they'll end up with both anyway, and raise, and raise the taxes they will.
    Then they'll give themselves a raise for doing such a good job.

    why do they get to decide when they get raises anyway? "

    Good Idea wrote on Apr 7, 2009 10:20 AM:

    " It's a couple of cents... big whoop on every dollar. What about all the tax on tobacco and alcohol, why should people who use those products have to pay additional taxes. We should have a sales tax so the burden is on all of us. I don't think the borough's budget should increase at all, I used to work there it is a very inefficient place. The monies gathered from the sales tax should off set borough property taxes. Also people who do not pay property taxes will now be adding to the economy, tourists included. "

    Peanut Santiago wrote on Apr 5, 2009 11:55 PM:

    " Same old...same old...all over. More taxes so the politicos can spend on God knows what. Politicians are the same all over the country...tax and spend and not live within their (our) means. Budget is a dirty word to them. ****** One guy does not have a road to his house? No fire protection? Wonder what his tax bill is like.... ************** My tax bill in Florida is "outrageous" (modest home) but it has gone down a little....and I have a paved road and fire protection! And mostly nice weather.... "

    jp wrote on Apr 2, 2009 9:11 PM:

    " truth is: you invoke any new tax, along with what our idiots in D.C. are imposing on us, and you'll see what the people are really made of!
    keep pushing, you're about there, really! "

    broke wrote on Apr 2, 2009 11:51 AM:

    " Where in the borough do i have to move to get a 10.23 mill rate. I happen to live in Big Lake and my mill rate is 15%. I have no fire service and no road to my house. When I apealed my tax I was told having no road to my house did not affect the value. I guess not being able to gat to my house 3 months out of the year is not a problem for the tax man. What am I paying the borough for! nothing "

    Jokes On You wrote on Apr 2, 2009 12:18 AM:

    " Joke of the month

    How do you turn a $180,000 house into a $240,000 house?

    Answer: Pass a 3% Borough Sales Tax with a 7.8 mil rate. "

    Dave wrote on Apr 1, 2009 11:00 PM:

    " It comes up every two or three years and the people vote it down (again). They won't fall for the tax shell game where you reduce taxes for a few years and then we are right back where we were again except now we have sales tax too. None of these people ever run while telling the people they plan to saddle us with another tax. This is why I despise politicians!!! "

    greg kgb wrote on Apr 1, 2009 5:39 PM:

    " How about this; come election time, vote EVERYONE out after their FIRST TERM. That is, unless, they have a PROVEN RECORD of effective service and accountability. It makes ME feel good. Most of you folks have fantastic points of view on this tax situation. I want to see the MSB join the 21st century and operate like THE REST OF US- WITH LESS! No more property tax! "

    Poor Assembly wrote on Apr 1, 2009 10:13 AM:

    " MSB Assembly----Learn to live within our means! Fire the crook Duffy and replace with Goofy, way better choice and better hair. "

    TEA TIME wrote on Apr 1, 2009 10:11 AM:

    " Did u know that this tax will also be on Nat gas, electric, DSL and local phone as well as Cell, cable, netflix and any items mailed to boxes within the MSBm medical services, the list goes on and on. We are fools to have these elected folks, thank God Bettine will soon be gone, now lets get rid of that ditzy Fake blonde Church. "

    Dont be stupid wrote on Apr 1, 2009 1:07 AM:

    " The Borough grasping . . . they need money, they raise the mil rate . . . They'll tax us for a ski lift next; which will really help us pay our bills.
    Duffy isn't a leader, he's not looking out for you an I-- eExpecially if you don't live in Palmer.
    Bread and Butter folks . . . it's what's for dinner.
    Palmer shopped in Wasilla when there wasn't a Wasilla Tax- I can remember that. Go figure. . . we'll be heading to Anchorage to shop.
    MSB= oxymoron. "

    jp wrote on Mar 31, 2009 11:16 AM:

    " why don't you people look up the legalities of taxes, it may surprise you. "

    Larry Wood wrote on Mar 31, 2009 10:28 AM:

    " When Wasilla instituted its sales tax, it took in $480K the first weekend. City employee salaries went up 180% the following week.
    Giving the Borough more money without accountability is insane. Gov't is not a good steward of our money.
    Why do we continue to pay a property tax that holds our property hostage forever? One never owns the property, the Borough does.
    A sales tax is a user tax and is fair and equitable.
    One or the other, but not both. "

    TTOSBT wrote on Mar 30, 2009 9:32 PM:

    " I was raised in a state with a sales tax on most things (not grocery or medical services & pharmacy) and also property taxes (real/personal & intangible) We had good services and an economy. I have been an Alaska Resident for almost 40 years and will shop the valley any day instead of driving to Anchorage. We need to stop relying on bailouts from big oil taxes and the US Govt. Lets get a sales tax in place with a real prop cap and sunset clause then evaluate it in a few years "

    BigLake13 wrote on Mar 30, 2009 11:38 AM:

    " Before going to the meeting PLEASE go to the Muni Property Tax site and check out your property tax for 2009. My house value went down by $10,000 and taxes went up almost $200.00.

    It is getting to the point that "My take home pay will not take me home."





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    Fools again wrote on Mar 29, 2009 6:51 PM:

    " With any sales tax who do you think will pay it? Certainly not the tourists as they'll load up the motorhomes with supplies from Anchorage before heading north. Once again, taxes will fall upon the residents - both owners and renters - the same people currently paying property tax. If you live in the valley and pay a mortgage or rent, you're paying property tax. Name one landlord who doesn't pass on his property taxes to his renters and I'll show you a landlord who won't be in business for very long. Cut expenses first! "

    A Viable Solution wrote on Mar 29, 2009 3:36 PM:

    " Try this one out , a 5% sales tax and an abolition of all property taxes. Neither could be changed by the Assembly without a 60% vote of the people. In fairness taxing municipalities would be capped at 5.5%. No off budjet spending would be allowed except bond issues which pass by a 60% vote of the people. Face it MSB Assembly, people are angry at the state of our nation and at things closer to home. We can't afford your grandeous visions for Hatchers Pass and a Borough police force. You CAN'T have both a sales and property tax. "

    to Grizbr wrote on Mar 29, 2009 3:04 PM:

    " Many Mat Su residents commute to Anchorage daily for work purposes. Most other residents go to Anchorage at least two or three times a month for various other purposes. Buying groceries ,gas and other commodities will present little if any extra cost or inconvenience to the vast majority of Mat Su residents who are sick of high taxes and big government spenders like Bettine and Houston. It is time we the voters and taxpayers take back the Assembly. Tuesday March 31 we will find out who are our freinds and who are our enemies. Be there at 6pm. "

    Grizbr wrote on Mar 29, 2009 8:39 AM:

    " I find it intresting that some people state they will shift their spending to Anchorage to save on a 3% sales tax. That means if you spend only $20 on gas driving to Anchorage and back you will need to spend about $670 each trip to break even. That doesnt make much sense does it. Shifting some of the tax off property owners is fair. "

    Please stop the Madness wrote on Mar 29, 2009 8:01 AM:

    " In the hope that some of the assemby members read these comments, I ask that you please stop trying to leech any more funds from the people who elected you to manage their communal affairs.
    I know it is easier to add revenue than cut a program or a position we cannot afford, but now is not the time to reduce the buying power of everyone's dollar. Our dollars are getting harder to earn as it is, especially for young families just getting started. They need disposable income not more programs. Revenue comes with growth, don't stymie it. "

    to tisalaska wrote on Mar 28, 2009 8:31 PM:

    " Anchorage won't pass a sales tax unless the MSB does first. If both areas have a sales tax I will still shift my spending to Anchorage out of spite as will many others. "

    Figure it out wrote on Mar 28, 2009 8:20 PM:

    " A valley sales tax will lead to reduced commerce in Palmer,Wasilla and Houston as many of us will alter our normal shopping patterns to Anchorage. This will be good news to Costco and other Anchorage businesses but will be a blow to local Mat Su Borough businesses who will remember those Assembly members who betrayed them. "

    To Fools.... wrote on Mar 28, 2009 1:45 PM:

    " You could not have said it better. Not only are people being foolish about this idea, they better get their heads out of the sand because the politician fools we have now are killing off the oil and gas industry. A state income tax will be proposed very soon now to get money for all those schools in the bush that have at least 10 students, not to mention the huge government bureaucracy that supports less than 1 million people in this state. Permanent fund will become permanent tax. "

    jp wrote on Mar 28, 2009 1:39 PM:

    " tax the users of the bike trails, X-country ski trails, they have not paid their share, and they receive more benefits than the rest of the recreators.

    I personally have seen the borough employees "in action" hard at "trying not to work" I think most of the borough business could be done in a reduced manpower environment. Let's say reduce the number of borough employees by 20% if they fall behind, replace the ones that are at fault, if they sustain performance levels, then perhaps a raise is in order, still saves $ "

    Fools wrote on Mar 28, 2009 10:58 AM:

    " If you think for one minute the borough is going to lower property taxes in lieu of a sales tax, you're a bunch of fools. This is a money grab by the borough and while they may dangle the carrot of lower property taxes to get the sales tax passed, property taxes will still take a hit. In addition, what fool believes renters don't pay property taxes? I'm a landlord and I pass any property taxes onto my renters in the form of increased rent. Everyone pays taxes even with a property tax. "

    Parks wrote on Mar 28, 2009 10:53 AM:

    " No, I do not trust Duffy. I dont trust that he and his lackie Cindy Bettine wont come back next year or the year after witha need to raise the prop tax,sales tax or other idea. And thats what it boils down to, if you dont trust the administration you cant trust thier plans, no matter how they market them. "

    tisalaska wrote on Mar 28, 2009 10:09 AM:

    " Well you can change take your 25 percent shopping to Anchorage but when they get sales tax and they will with a new mayor and a huge budget problem themselves then what? Not only that but the merchants you fail to support here may not here when you choose to from the lack of support. Not only that but you are forgetting your savings with lower property tax. Read the ordinance or attend the MSB assembly meeting Tuesday and then decide your position. "

    jp wrote on Mar 28, 2009 10:08 AM:

    " does anyone think that Duffy is doing a good job? "

    jp wrote on Mar 28, 2009 10:07 AM:

    " i think borough board, and management positions should receive a pay cut, as they are not doing a good job, in fact, should be reviewed for possible recall. "

    Voter and Tax Payer wrote on Mar 28, 2009 9:24 AM:

    " MSB, it is time for a choice SALES TAX OR PROPERTY TAX.YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH ! NO COMPROMISE ! No tricks, no lies. We voters and tax payers will hold you accountable. "

    Observer wrote on Mar 28, 2009 9:05 AM:

    " They say the property mill rate will drop to 7.8 with a sales tax of 3%. Sure and watch your assessments go way up. If this was revenue neutral big government advocates like Bettine and Houston wouldn't be pushing it so hard. These bad apples need to go. As in Anchorage which has a tax cap more spending goes off budget. Our politicians are no more honest. Bond issues will multiply. What is to stop increases in the sales tax rate from rising to 5%,7%or9% by Assembly vote in the future? The sales tax is a trick. Kill it Tuesday. "

    Palmer Voter wrote on Mar 27, 2009 8:40 PM:

    " Pete Houston and Cindy Bettine need to go. Currently I do about 70% of my shopping in Palmer,20% in Wasilla and about 5% in Anchorage. I can and will shift my purchasing to about 80% Anchorage if the sales tax is enacted although as a long time valley resident I would rather support local valley businesses. I encourage everyone to do the same. We need to cut MSB spending by at least 10%. Enstar will merciously continue to hit us with 20-30% increases each year,MEA is also up,food and fuel is on the rise. Give us a break MSB!!!!!! "

    Yes Ed wrote on Mar 27, 2009 7:04 PM:

    " I agree 100% with Ed - cut expenses first. I live on KGB and drive to Anchorage for work on a daily basis. I already buy all of my groceries and consumables in Anchorage as I'm there for work so might as well buy it there. If this tax is implemented, I'll buy EVERYTHING in Anchorage. Remember valley representatives, there are more of us commuters than there are those who work/live in the valley. It could be a rough time for the borough AND the city if they keep jacking us for sales tax. "

    tisalaska wrote on Mar 27, 2009 6:48 PM:

    " Let me guess you moved to the valley for cheap property and dont expect to pay for any government but you want full service. Oh and when they appraise your property you want it only to go up to market value when your ready to sell and get top dollar. Its so easy to say cut government with out talking specifics. Come to the table with a suggestion! "

    Ed Manning II wrote on Mar 27, 2009 2:54 PM:

    " I have, strongly, expressed my opposition to this new sales tax. I have contacted Cindy Bettine, and Mark Ewing, both of whom are Assembly members. I have also expressed my concerns to John Duffy, Borough Manager. Mr. Ewing seems to have strong reservations about this proposed ordinance. I am not getting reasonable responses from Mrs. Bettine, nor from Mr. Duffy.
    The Borough needs to cut their spending. Therein, lies the problem. "

    For Petes Sake - YES wrote on Mar 27, 2009 2:40 PM:

    " For those of us in the Borough that have a mill rate of 16 - I welcome the thought of having a cap and paying a sales tax. Additionally, it's a user tax. If you buy something, you're taxed on it - simple as that! The property owners in the valley should not be forced to pay for everything! "

    Alaska Nana wrote on Mar 27, 2009 1:52 PM:

    " I just sitting here shaking my head. I cannot believe this. Well, since what we actually think will never come into play, I will tell all the business owners in the valley up front that a lot of us bought goods locally due to the convenience, drive, price of fuel & time. If the price goes up again on another tax, it will defintely be worth the drive to Anchorage. We are already paying more to buy local as it is. Listen to the taxpayers. "

    NO more taxes 2 wrote on Mar 27, 2009 11:50 AM:

    " Bye Bye Bettine and your types, cut spending, NO MORE TAXES! We all have to live within our means, what is up with your borough? And some of you on that assembly feel qualified to run a ski resort? Give us a break you can't even listen and do your jobs as it is. What a joke this assembly. Tax cap, till you change your funnel caps on your pointed heads. "

    Questionable wrote on Mar 27, 2009 10:06 AM:

    " Let's say this measure passes and they institute a borough tax. What happens when the jack the value of my property up so I'm paying the same property tax I am now plus additional borough sales tax. They might cap the mill rate but there isn't a cap on the value of the property. I don't think this community is ready or has the means necessary to come up with an additional 3% sales tax on goods. "

    tisalaska wrote on Mar 27, 2009 9:34 AM:

    " All assembly meetings are broadcast on the internet by Radio Free Palmer and podcast as well. I would hope that all that think the borough spends too much money at budget time makes a point of attending the budget hearings while making mindful suggestions for cuts. No one wants the government until they need it. No one likes taxes but we should all remember we live in a state that pays us to live here by dividend each year and collects no income tax.Take the time to read the ordinance and hear the public testimony then come to conclusions. "

    jp wrote on Mar 27, 2009 8:36 AM:

    " any representative voting for a tax should be voted out, as they do not represent their constituents accurately.
    Let's see if we can vote them a pay reduction, or just vote them out.
    It's time to make these elected ones do what we elected them to do.

    has any one of them ever came to you and asked your opinion on something?

    they are out of touch with reality. "

    Which mils wrote on Mar 27, 2009 8:29 AM:

    " Will the tax cap be on all mils levied in total? Or is that exclusive of the debt? We don't want to be suckered into thinking it is something it's not. "

    Read My Lips wrote on Mar 27, 2009 8:29 AM:

    " NO NEW TAXES! Anyone purposing new taxes wether they be at the Borough, State, or Federal level should be voted out of office! These thieving imbeciles need to learn to live within their means just as we the taxpayers have to! ENOUGH ALREADY!!
    It's way past time to hold these criminals accountable! It's also time to limit these morons to a one term limit! It's way past time we take our country back! IT'S TEA TIME!!!!! "

    Bert wrote on Mar 27, 2009 8:12 AM:

    " So enact the sales tax, off-set the property tax, and let everyone pay the bill, BUT don’t make it area wide. Leave the three cities out of it and there won’t be double taxing. The Borough should have learned by now that apparently the majority does not like this idea so use some common sense when you do this. "

    alaskamountainman wrote on Mar 27, 2009 7:08 AM:

    " This reminds me of the old shell game ran by con men of long ago. They placed a bean under one of three walnut half-shells and moved them around quickly. After but a short while the con bet the "mark" he couldn't identify which shell the bean was under, for money of course. Well the odds were one in three that the mark would lose the bet. The assembly is trying to increase the number of shells (tax sources) to keep us from knowing where the bean (our tax $) is. Don't play that game! "

    Goodbye Bettine wrote on Mar 27, 2009 5:41 AM:

    " Time for a recall of Ms. Tax & Spend Bettine. I hate to admit I voted for her but that won't happen again even if she runs for dogcatcher! Why doesn't she move back to California where she'll fit right in with the tax and spend liberals? "

    NO WAY... wrote on Mar 26, 2009 9:12 PM:

    " Ms. Bettine, you must be kidding: " ...the tax will be used to offset property taxes, not to raise more money for the borough." Not if DUFFY and TROXEL have their ways. Troxel's MSBSD proposed budget went up 14%---where does this come from? Not from a King Duffy reduced mil rate lowering his Kingdom's Property Tax Revenue. This IS A DUCK. "

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