Custodial contract gets board scrutiny

By ANDREW WELLNER
Frontiersman
Published on Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:12 PM AKDT

PALMER — The school board has decided how much money it is willing to spend on janitorial services, a decision that could have implications for whether the work is done in-house or through a contractor.

The board passed its budget Wednesday. Having already deliberated the budget over numerous prior meetings, the only real tweak the board made was to make it more likely that the district will fund baseball programs at area high schools.

Most of the debate for the night, though, centered around the janitorial services contract. NANA Management has been doing janitorial work at the district since the work was outsourced in the spring of 2006

Last month, the board voted to only extend the company’s contract for 90 days. At Wednesday’s meeting it was clear that NANA had rejected that 90-day offer.

More to the point, it was made abundantly clear that the company’s offer to do the contract for this coming fiscal year for $5.4 million was a better deal than the school district could get doing the job in-house.

Henry Cottle, the district’s maintenance director, came to the meeting with a proposal to do the work in-house for that same $5.4 million.

“I tried to keep as many folks in the building as I could,” Cottle said. “I tried to be as creative as I could.”

But, he said, the pay and benefits he had to give the custodians, plus equipment and training costs to bring the services back to the district, meant that across the board area schools would have to see a reduction in janitorial staff to make that $5.4 million mark.

Elementary schools would have a split-shift janitor during the day. That janitor would work to open the school in the morning, make sure the heat was on and the snow was plowed, then go home and return in the afternoon. That sort of position, he testified, is very hard to keep staffed. As for supervision, the day shift janitors would report to the principal. Night janitors would have two supervisors.

“These custodial reductions are deep and will have to happen,” Cottle said.

Then there’s the question of equipment. Cottle said NANA is willing to sell the district back everything it bought from the district when it got the contract, for the nominal price of $1. But that doesn’t mean the district is out of the woods on that question. There are some things NANA bought on its own as the contract wore on, especially to outfit the new schools the district has built since 2006.

The bottom line, it appeared, was that to do the same job NANA was doing, the district would have to spend $7.1 million.

Board member Colleen Hamblin said, “$5.4 million is what we had budgeted and to do more than that would be to cost a position elsewhere. I’m not willing to trade a teacher for a custodian.”

The NANA contract has been an issue, with residents testifying at school board meetings that they believed the company didn’t do background checks, that the quality of people it hired didn’t compare to the quality of people who worked in the district prior to outsourcing. It has caused a great deal of heartburn and even a lawsuit. But those who testified Wednesday, mostly teachers and principals, seemed in favor of the NANA contract.

“I know that a lot of you are trying to right a wrong,” said Amy Spargo, principal of Wasilla Middle School. But, given that doing the job in-house would cost more money and likely result in staffing cuts elsewhere, “this is a wrong that can’t be righted by reversing it.”

The school board made an attempt to dispel some of what has been said in opposition to NANA.

Board member Erick Cordero asked about background checks. The answer: NANA does a screening interview, then a preliminary check, then a second interview, then applicants are fingerprinted and the Alaska State Troopers run a background check and the FBI runs one as well. They are also drug-tested, something the school district doesn’t do now and didn’t do previously.

Colleen Hamblin pointed to a statistic that 50 percent of the janitors working for NANA previously worked for the district as members of its Classified Employees Association union.

“They weren’t strangers in the building when they worked for CEA. I don’t know when they became strangers in the school but, according to somebody’s version they did,” she said.

She also said she was tired of hearing that these professional employees who work for NANA somehow care less about their jobs than the janitors who worked for the district did. 

“To continue with that rhetoric, to me, I’m done with it,” Hamblin said.

In the end, the decision was left to a future meeting. Board President Jim Colver asked that a resolution designating whether that $5.4 million should go to an outsourced contract or to hiring janitors in-house be brought to the board’s meeting Wednesday.

   

Contact Andrew Wellner at andrew.wellner@frontiersman.com or 352-2270.

Comments

29 comment(s)

    To Power Wagon wrote on Jun 26, 2009 8:48 PM:

    " You are right. That is because the Mat-Su is the Wal-Mart of the Education Systems of the State. That includes our Assembly Members that do not believe in funding education to the cap. This is why we had to cut teachers and hire cheaper labor. Wal-Mart's cheaper products fill our landfills, cheaper and less education fills our jails. "

    Power Wagon wrote on Jun 26, 2009 9:16 AM:

    " Interesting that most school districts seem capable of providing their own janitors, but Mat-Su can't. "

    Ted Stevens International Airport did not want Nana back wrote on Jun 23, 2009 9:42 AM:

    " Nana lost their contract with the Airport. Ask the Airport why they chose not to go with Nana anymore. Ask Fred Meyer what they think and why they are not going to bring Nana back for a new contract. This is not a top notch quality company and I expect top notch when it comes to the children of this community. I don't have children in school but I think a good community takes good care of it's children. How we care for our children says a lot. Maybe we are just Valley Trash. "

    Lets outsource administration wrote on Jun 23, 2009 9:36 AM:

    " They do not work directly with students so safety would not be an issue. We can outsource most of what goes on at the main office so if outsourcing is a good idea and saves that much money, then lets outsource everyone at the Administration building. If quality staff does not matter for our kids in the school then it should not matter at the admin. level either. I expect quality when I think of schools. I guess that is just an old fashioned way of looking at it. So the Administration should be next. "

    getitright wrote on Jun 22, 2009 11:34 PM:

    " Where the bottom line is money, NANA gets the nod. When the bottom line is safety for children, professionalism, and low turnover, CEA gets selected.
    Quality costs more and it is usually worth it in the long run. We are talking about the health and safety of children and mulitimillion dollar schools. "

    Whats good for the goose is good for the gander wrote on Jun 20, 2009 8:18 PM:

    " Drop the wages for all the staff at the main office too. Also, take away their retirement and their insurance and the government can take care of them. That is the new way. If it was okay to do that to the custodians it should be okay to do that to the rest of the staff at the schools too. If quality does not matter, then let's not stop with custodians. Let's outsource the entire administration!! Sorry folks. Quality is for other peoples kids, not the kids of the Mat Su. "

    Hands down district jobs are better jobs for the community wrote on Jun 20, 2009 8:13 PM:

    " School district jobs offer much better wages and benefits with a retirement. Nana does not come even close so don't even try. If everyone is okay with less quality for staff working with the kids, let's pay the teachers less too. Take away their insurance and their retirement and then see what type of quality teachers we get. Oh yeah. That's right. Quality does not matter anymore. Just go for what's cheaper. I say take the teacher's benefits away and our taxes will really go down! "

    Just the facts wrote on Jun 20, 2009 8:08 PM:

    " You forgot to mention the benefits for working at Nana. What are they? Do they have the same insurance benefits? Do your employees get a retirement? Oh yeah. That is not the way anymore. Let the community take care of the employees that work for companies that don't. And then the company can get wealthier. It does not pay the shareholders to offer good paying jobs with benefits. Just because something is cheaper does not mean better. Remember everyone, you get what you pay for. Want quality for your kids? "

    check the facts wrote on Jun 19, 2009 8:04 PM:

    " in response to:"Nana does not pay quality wages, but Nana gives quality dividends to it's shareholders."
    NANA pays their custodians anywhere from 11/hr to 15/hr. The school district will be paying their custodians $12/hr. please tell me how nana pays less than the district? the subs for nana get 10.50/hr. the subs for the school district get 9/hr. can you please tell me how that is?! "

    Just because it is cheaper does not mean safer wrote on Jun 19, 2009 9:27 AM:

    " It is our job as a community to take care of our children. This means all of us. Even the people out there that don't have children at home any more. It says a lot about a community that does not want to take good care of their children. We all know that cheaper is not always better. You get what you pay for. If you want quality people working with our kids you need a quality job and Nana does not pay quality wages, but Nana gives quality dividends to it's shareholders. "

    fishhook wrote on Jun 18, 2009 11:38 AM:

    " I pay taxes and i expect the school district to pay their employees a living wage, medical and retirement benefits. When they outsource work, the company (NANA) will take a profit away from the workers and away from our valley. When you subtract this profit, it means that the workers will get lower wages and worse medical and retirement benefits. "

    Lee wrote on Jun 18, 2009 11:32 AM:

    " The school district went with NMS as a cost savings measure. Where has that savings gone? My property taxes were not lowered a commensurate amount. Now Mr. Colver and the CEA want to revert back to the old way of doing business. Don't be fooled - it's NOT "for the children". If the CEA is involved there is money involved. Watch for a giant leap in the MSB shools budget request next year if for no other reason than they have to hire more custodians. Again,where have the millions of dollars already saved through outsourcing been spent? "

    bob wrote on Jun 17, 2009 11:43 PM:

    " NANA paid the largest dividend in it's history last year. Why? Because it made a huge profit by paying low wages to it's workers. So, the question is simple. Do you want Mat-Su dollars going to shareholders of NANA or do you want these same dollars going to custodians who spend their money here in the Valley? "

    To Bob wrote on Jun 17, 2009 1:29 PM:

    " The school board dose not want to spend more than $ 5.4 mil. for custodial. NMS 's contracted price per year , the next 2 years.The union dose want higher wages and more expencive benifits than NMS offers, True. Insource custodians to the district and you will see # no building custodian and 1 less cust. per school, FACT. Try the facts not union gossip. If you were employeed as a NMS custodian with benifits.with the school district proposed cuts you could now be unemployeed. Good move MR.Colver and CEA union ?? "

    More Informed wrote on Jun 17, 2009 9:47 AM:

    " I googled it and found that they made 3.9% profit on 1 billion dollars. Good for them. Why is it that some people don't want anyone to make a profit. Also, NMS is 1 company out of 40 that Nana owns and dividends are paid on the total. Get educated before making comments! "

    bob wrote on Jun 15, 2009 10:32 PM:

    " NANA isn't cheaper because they add on costs every quarter and the district pays because the admin. is in bed with NANA management. The Board wants to give decent wages and benefits to employees, not profit to NANA. Google NANA profits for 2008 and you will see what I mean. "

    offsoapstone wrote on Jun 14, 2009 11:04 AM:

    " I do hope this issue hangs around for awhile then maybe just maybe voters will take a good look at the school board and who's on it. The assembly did the right thing with the money they gave the school district. As a taxpayer I knew in- houseing the custodians would cost more than the NMS contract. I understand the importance of education and how its funded, but as a person who has no childern I'm also getting real tired of helping fund this system. So voters look hard at the school board next election lets get it right "

    tm06 wrote on Jun 13, 2009 5:19 PM:

    " Well reported. Colver was indeed trying to make good on a campaign promise to the CEA- he ran on getting the custodians back into the union and the first chance he got, he took it. I thought our Maintenance staff did an excellent job describing what would be done with the same amount of $ as the NANA contract. Clearly it will be woefully inadequate and I shudder to think of how our rooms will look next school year. It won't be pretty. "

    The School Administration is threatening the Principals wrote on Jun 13, 2009 4:43 PM:

    " I can't believe that the Administration is using this to threaten their principals. That is so wrong. Instead of doing what they are doing, they should be backing the board and getting the Assembly to fully fund schools and use the Stimulus money as they were supposed to. What the Assembly did is illegal and will not go unnoticed by the Feds. They ruined the school budget then used the Federal Stimulus funds to put it back. Not legal. I hope Governor Palin and Mayor Colberg gets this right or we are screwed. "

    Assembly should be taken to task not the School Board wrote on Jun 13, 2009 4:38 PM:

    " The School Board did the right thing. Nana lost their contract with Stevens International Airport, Mat su Regional will have nothing to do with them and Fred Meyer is dropping them like hot cakes. They ruined millions in flooring by neglect and poor cleaning. The real battle is the Assembly using the Federal stimulus money to fund the budget. If the Assembly had fully funded schools to the cap, we would not be in this situation. That stimulus money was for enhancements not to cut the budget and then use federal dollars to put it back. "

    what wrote on Jun 13, 2009 11:28 AM:

    " How filthy are the children attending schools? if you are that concerned about your childrens health --- homeschool them. Then you can properly educate them, socialize them as needed and keep them healthy. And as far as a measley $9.00, there are people getting laid off and jobs cut, that would happly take that amount. Get a grip and realize that in a tight economy emotional basis for awarding contracts can not be sustained by hard working taxpayers. "

    Tara wrote on Jun 12, 2009 6:16 PM:

    " Good gosh, let the children earn a small living. We cleaned our own classrooms when we were kids. $5.4 Million you could save allot of mulah. "

    Facts wrote on Jun 12, 2009 5:33 PM:

    " School board paid $100,000 for an audit of NMS, Recommendation NMS keep contract. Mr Colver threw it out !
    Mar. 2009 school district recommends NMS renew contract. Mr. Colver threw it out. 2009 CEA union tells school board NMS does not do back ground checks, Colvert and the boys try to sell this lie to the public.June 2009 CEA still no contract with school district? Maybe cause CEA things 7 million is less than 5.4 million.To insource custodians mean +/- 100 new union dues payers. Fact less custodial service ,less jobs. NMS offer much better for the schools. "

    Baffled wrote on Jun 12, 2009 4:21 PM:

    " The SUB custodians that have been hired are for summer school programs ONLY!! They get paid a measley $9.00 an hr. What kind of work do you really think they are doing in the schools??? Are they cleaning carpets, stripping and waxing floors??? NO! At least the administration got paid. I know that the custodians have been humiliated with what the district have offered them.
    You obviously have no clue what you are talking about!!
    So because of people like you the childrens health is at risk.
    Stick to what you know, and this is not it. "

    Redgy H wrote on Jun 12, 2009 1:18 PM:

    " To curb my curiousity, I did a little checking with the APOC website and found that in 06-07, school board president (then on the Assembley) Jim Colver recieved half his campaign contributions directly from Unions. It would be interesting to know how much and to whom unions contibuted to school board members this last election cycle. That might shed some light on why this janitorial contract is even an issue. "

    Redgy H wrote on Jun 12, 2009 12:37 PM:

    " I wonder who this school board really cares more about, the kids in the classroom or their buddies in the union? Focus on what's important and the answer to this issue is very clear. Let the contractor do their job and the school board get back to theirs--improving eduction! "

    To Baffled wrote on Jun 12, 2009 11:57 AM:

    " The administration has hired subs to keep the schools clean during the summer. Because subs get lower pay and no benefits, this makes up for the difference in extra expenditures that arise for interviews and cleaning supplies. However, no textbooks or teachers have been compromised due to this.

    WOW I can't believe that there are such liars like you in our community. The money that you claim is being wasted, is not. Stop making accusations without knowing what's going on. "

    baffled wrote on Jun 12, 2009 10:30 AM:

    " I am really concerned that the school board is wasting time voting on the NMS contract. The schools NEED to be clean and ready for our children to return. The money that they have wasted could have been used for staffing teachers, books or towards funding sporting activities.
    The school board has not funded enough money to hire enough custodians to clean the schools. They would have to skip clean. ( wash desks, clean bathrooms and take garbage out) nothing else would be done. Now is that a safe and healthy enviroment for our children? Resign Mr. Colver!!! control freak!!! "

    Buddy wrote on Jun 12, 2009 9:17 AM:

    " What a mess. WHY? School board president Colver pandering to the union,CEA with their factless and false
    statements about NMS 's custodians.
    Board members would not get off there butts to research the true facts. Board members with special intrest ,sports.
    much more inportant than safe clean schools. Renew NMS contract, Vote
    the good old boys out ! "

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