At what cost?

BY ANDREW WELLNER
Frontiersman
Published on Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:32 PM AKDT

PALMER — The school district’s contract for custodial services is no more.

In a 5-2 vote Wednesday before a packed house, the Matanuska-Susitna Borough School Board decided to bring the janitors back as in-house employees, rather than contracting for the work as the district has since 2006.

At a meeting June 10 on the topic, district officials told the school board that because of the district’s benefit package and other costs such as the cost to purchase equipment to replace that owned by the contractor, bringing the workers back in-house for the same dollar amount as the district’s contract with NANA Management Services would result in deep staffing cuts. For example, split-shift janitors would handle most elementary schools, working shifts that begin early in the morning, break for most of the day and resume around the time school dismissed.

Board member Ole Larson said he wasn’t convinced that the split shifts and other staffing cuts were the only answer.

“There’s got to be two or three or four solutions to a problem, not just one solution,” Larson said.

Board member Erick Cordero asked district Superintendent George Troxel, to come to the body’s August meeting with proposals for how to add $1 million to the janitorial services budget without cutting teaching jobs, other employees or classroom programs.

Troxel agreed to do that, but cautioned, “With close to 90 percent of our budget being in salaries and benefits, anytime we are asked to reduce the budget by a million dollars people will be losing their jobs.”

In proposing that the janitors be brought back into the district, Cordero urged his fellow board members to vote with their hearts.

“I truly believe in my heart that the decision that the board took in 2006 was a terrible mistake,” he said.

The board also heard from the wife and the daughter of a janitor laid off during the outsourcing.

Kristy Jones, the wife, said her husband was a second-generation janitor and very proud of his job. But when NANA came in, the $12 per hour wage they offered wasn’t enough and her husband took a job on the North Slope. Now, the family has no health insurance and is struggling just to pay bills. Their heat was shut off in the dead of winter.

“His humor, his spark, his self-respect are all gone,” she said of her husband.

Colleen Hamblen and Susan Pougher, voted against bringing the custodians back.

“I’m not so much interested in being an employment agency. I’m interested in being an education provider,” Hamblen said.

She also apologized to the public for waiting until the last school board meeting possible to address the issue, saying with more time the board could hammer out a better arrangement.

Pougher told janitors that it wasn’t even clear, at this point, if bringing the custodians back into the district would mean there would be more full-time, better paying jobs out there. She also said she didn’t think it wise to bring the custodians back into the district knowing that the services would likely cost the district as much as they did before the outsourcing.

“We haven’t solved the problem that sent them out to contract in the first place,” she said.

Board member Sarah Welton said she’d gone back and forth on the issue. On the one hand, she said, she was in favor of unions — the janitors working for the school district will have union representation — and had opposed outsourcing from the start. On the other, she felt the whole issue needed more discussion and more planning. Eventually she voted for bringing the janitors back, but directed most of her comments at a plea for peace and healing.

“We’re in this together, let’s work it out,” Welton said.

Rick Byrnes, president of the Classified Employees Association, the union that will represent the janitors when they come back as district employees, said he’s hoping the janitors can be put to work as soon as possible. He said the district has already interviewed 150 candidates and the only step left is to get fingerprint checks and assign them to schools.

“Our hope is within the next three days we get moving on this thing and get people back into the buildings,” he said.

He called the 5-2 vote decisive and said the direction the board gave was clear.

“Our feeling on this is it really has put that whole dark chapter of the district’s history to rest.”

HOW THEY VOTED

Should custodians be school district employees?

Jim Colver: Yes

Erick Cordero: Yes

Colleen Hamblen: No

Ole Larson: Yes

Susan Pougher: No

Myrl Thompson: Yes

Sarah Welton: Yes

Comments

21 comment(s)

    Fingerprint checks wrote on Jul 1, 2009 8:11 AM:

    " The district checks ALL employees thru the only company that does the FBI checks. Even subs. Safety 1st. The district jobs also come with medical benefits and a retirement. Employees who have that are less dependent on community for these things. What does union have to do with that? Oh, maybe if the employees were not involved in unions the government would have to provide medical, food and shelter assistance for these lower income employees. How is a union job worse than government assistance again? "

    Viking wrote on Jun 30, 2009 7:54 PM:

    " Everyone is making a big deal about the fingerprinting issue. I read in one of the previous articles where the school district didn't finger print their janitors either. How does being a union employee make you trustworthy employee? Many of the NANA janitors live in the valley, pay valley taxes, and have children enrolled in the Mat-Su schools. The pay that was offered by the school district for the janitor positions was the same as NANA was paying, and then how much will the union be deducting from that pay for union dues? "

    Fingerprint checks wrote on Jun 29, 2009 9:35 AM:

    " Most of these employees are great people. It is the small percentage that are not that we need to filter out. Let's see how many stay after the fingerprint checks are ran. How many did not apply with the school district because they knew they WOULD get a fingerprint check and they knew they would not pass. Again, most are great people. It is the few that are not that we need to weed out. These people work directly with students even during sleepovers. Safety first. Fingerprint checks a must! "

    froggie wrote on Jun 28, 2009 10:56 AM:

    " To furthermore... Just to further inform you. The school district is hiring 90% or more of the employees that worked for NANA. So I guess NANA's 2 class citizens are now the 2 class citizens of the school district. Why, if NANA didn't care about the schools and the children would the school district hire the same people? The custodians should have had more support from the school staff then they did. I wish all the custodians luck in the future. They deserve more credit then thy got! "

    Furthermore wrote on Jun 27, 2009 9:25 AM:

    " Outsourcing to an outside company is not safe. This company did not do fingerprint checks. If they don't check fingerprints they really don't know who is working with the kids. I asked 10 of their employees in the past 2 years and they all said no to finger print checks at Nana. The Airport in Anchorage sacked Nana, Fred Meyer is not bringing them back. Nana does not care about the safety of kids. It cares about it's stakeholders. The board had to make the decision and kids safety is their responsibility. "

    To Soapstone wrote on Jun 27, 2009 9:20 AM:

    " You did not offend me and you have a right to your opinion. I have been told several times in the past several months that people who don't have kids should not have to pay education tax. That is just ignorant. You all had an education out there and it is only because we all contribute that it is possible. I am not going to listen to that kind of talk and not jump on it and call it what it is. We all have a stake in the children of this community. "

    nikolay wrote on Jun 27, 2009 12:12 AM:

    " they made a wise decision even though the fact of lack of money is, well, a fact. yet we custodians are very gratefull. we appreciate sarah welton 24 hr decision very very very much thumbs up to the whole board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

    offsoapstone wrote on Jun 26, 2009 11:20 PM:

    " I'd like to say I'm sorry if I have offended you or anybody eles. I live in a country that says you can think and say what you want. This doesn't mean I do not consider what you say as a good thought. I just disagree with you. I have no problem with spending money on education but it needs to be done right. We will agree on that but probality not on how. Have a good weekend folks "

    Put Kids First wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:15 PM:

    " What a disappointment! No back bone, no funds and no full custodial coverage. Hmmmm, at least we had it when NANA was hired. And for those of you thinking that this change will not affect you......watch to see how many teachers and classified employees are cut. Money has to come from somewhere. Too bad they can't keep the schools clean with money Colver wants his buddies to have for ball fields. After all, which is more important????? Past time for you to move on, Jim!!!! "

    To Soapstone wrote on Jun 26, 2009 8:16 PM:

    " This has nothing to do with unions. Why does Union always have to weasel it's way into a conversation? This has to do with the community being responsible for it's children. You are the one who said you do not have children, you should not have to pay for mine going to school. Those were your words. I am saying that our Assembly should fully fund education to the cap as all other boroughs in this state does. Thank you for your service to the community with our children. "

    Taxpayer and teacher wrote on Jun 26, 2009 8:09 PM:

    " Bringing the custodians back into the school district family is the right thing to do. We cannot continue to cut and cut and cut employee pay and benefits without losing the highest caliber of employee to other jobs. NANA did not give the iption of transferring to better paying jobs, retirement or health insurance.

    I welcome them back and I'm a teacher in the district. So if I have to pay for a sales tax or more in my property taxes, then Borough Assembly members do it! "

    offsoapstone wrote on Jun 26, 2009 6:09 PM:

    " To contuine i'd rather have the teachers keep there jobs. We'll see what happens down the road in terms of layoffs. Kids need two important things in their lives a good home life and a good education and sorry to say that does not always happen for them. I also general vote for school bonds but now I have to take a step back on that too. The school board just costs the taxpayer more money. Last words just cause your in a union doesn't make you a better worker. I also back unions. "

    offsoapstone wrote on Jun 26, 2009 5:53 PM:

    " Must of hit some nerves out there. About only caring for my self I guess the 12 plus years I worked with kids in MYAC being a soccer coach and a basketball coach dosen't matter. That will go also for helping out at school funtions when my borther said they need help. Guess what I did that for free and to help the kids out. All i'm saying is you can not give the school district a blank check and thats what they want. So they insource the janitors and lay off some teachers. "

    Furthermore Mr. Soapstone wrote on Jun 26, 2009 4:02 PM:

    " I have worked my whole life. I am saying that we are responsible as a community for those that are vulnerable. That means the children of this community. You Mr. Soapstone are an example of a community member that thinks we should not share that responsibility. Your example is why they call us Valley Trash. You probably only care about yourself. It is not about you. It is about a healthy community and that takes good people working with the vulnerable. That takes money. Any other questions? "

    To Soapstone wrote on Jun 26, 2009 3:55 PM:

    " I do own land and pay taxes. I do have a job and we do pay federal taxes. I am saying that we should not be happy with the cheapest for our children in school. These people work directly with kids and we need quality people and a quality job is the only way to get that. I am saying that we get a dividend in this state. No other state does that. I get a dividend I pay taxes with it. We don't have State Income tax. What more do you want? "

    fishhook wrote on Jun 26, 2009 3:38 PM:

    " i am very happy to see the school board acting like a school board, and not the board of directors for Wal-Mart. they were not elected to race to the bottom and try to see how few dollars they pay the employees, and in the process give money to an outside corporation (NANA). "

    offsoapstone wrote on Jun 26, 2009 2:27 PM:

    " First off the custodial services should have never been outsourced, but since it did save taxpays money the contract should have stayed with NANA. The school board just can't be trusted to do a good job. This is to the writer who thinks the assembley is the problem. From your last statement I assume you are not a property owner so you don't pay taxes I also assume you do not work and pay Fed taxes. I have never had a child in school so why should my property tax help your childern in school. "

    Just asking wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:33 PM:

    " How is that nearly every year the school district returns excess funding to the borough ( and then fights about how it will be distributed) while at the same time screaming about being underfunded? Here we are again scrapping over who gets what and why there isn't more to go around. Surely there is room for more transparency in the budget without actually putting names to the salaries. "

    Disappointed wrote on Jun 25, 2009 11:56 PM:

    " This meeting was a farce. These board members had a fiduciary duty to protect the TAXPAYERS of this community and they have failed. Even with a review/audit supporting the NANA contract (that WE paid for), they still bowed to a union that now has carte blanche in negotiations. Shame on the board and shame on US for electing them. "

    Mat Su Assembly needs to be brought to task on this one wrote on Jun 25, 2009 10:50 PM:

    " Mat su is the only Borough that did not fully fund education to the cap. Again I am asking why and why no one is questioning this. We are to only Borough in the State that does not put education 1st. Again, it says a lot about a community that does not believe that we should take good care of our children with quality. That takes money. Oh yea. You don't want to pay more taxes. Well get over it. You get a dividend and you don't really pay taxes in this State! "

    bob wrote on Jun 25, 2009 10:01 PM:

    " The school district budget is $200,000,000 + Do you think there is money to pay custodians a living wage?
    This isn't a new concept.
    'There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible. '
    Henry Ford "

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