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jp wrote on Aug 25, 2009 3:15 PM:

" wait til these people have to pay their taxes next year, as this program is a government entitlement, they will be taxed as such! "




Smart TRUCK owner wrote on Aug 25, 2009 9:58 AM:

" the program was not meant for people to turn in "perfectly good cars trucks". I have a $500 clunker in my yard that would qualify for the program.

Clearly the program name covers that but if materialistic fools are using good vehicles in this case, it will be like the crash of the mortgage industry and many of these new cars will go back to the bank, and be sold again for profit.

Only those that abused the program will suffer. "




Power Wagon wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:58 PM:

" Anybody else find it funny that the day after all the dealers start to refuse to participate in "Communism for Clunkers" because of the bureaucratic nonsense, not getting paid and such that the government announces they're going to shut it down because it's (snicker) been "so successful"? "




sharpie wrote on Aug 19, 2009 3:35 PM:

" Great Progam:
The argument I see stated in here is that our government is supposed to base our currency production based on GNP, but they don't. Instead they print it in excess (which is against the agreement we made when we came off the gold standard).

In any case, it doesn't look like you understood the point other bloggers were making because you actually agree with that. "




someone wrote on Aug 19, 2009 2:18 PM:

" Besides all the government stuff that may be right or wrong about this is one fact that I wanted to share.

The program is only taking vehicles that had a rating of less than 19 mpg at the time of manufacturing.

So....even though my 1997 vehicle is getting less than that now, it does not qualify for the program because it had "good" gas milage when it was made. "




Great Program. wrote on Aug 19, 2009 10:51 AM:

" "Our government is SUPPOSED to print currency based on our GNP"
Now that's rich. You assume far to much.
The reality is they don't so therefore that statement is pointless. DOA.
Consumer confidence does have a great deal to do with the money flow and worth. We are not that once great nation that created we have becoming more of a consumer nation. "




Power Wagon wrote on Aug 19, 2009 9:06 AM:

" to Great Program;

Wrong. Our government is SUPPOSED to print currency based on our GNP. Of course now, thanks to the wack jobs in power, we just print it willy-nilly and watch it devalue at a geometric rate.

Our money is valued according to "the faith of the people that use it"?! What? Where do you get this stuff? Please tell me that you don't really think that's how our economy is based! Good lord. "




jp wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:55 AM:

" hey, what happened to joe? "




Great Program. wrote on Aug 18, 2009 11:47 PM:

" Well excuse me MR. spelling BEE Champ. Is that the best you can do. You talk about drivel, Pleaseeeeeeeeese And by the way your comment "It's SUPPOSED to based off a complex formula involving the GNP" More drivel. Why? Because in a fiat monetary system, there is no restrain on the amount of money that can be created, without legal constraints. Instead, the only thing that gives the money value is the faith placed in it by the people that use it. U.S.struck an agreement with OPEC to price oil in U.S. dollars exclusively. Dollars backed by oil. sheesh "




to tax-funded services wrote on Aug 18, 2009 12:02 PM:

" Wow. "All those deficit dollars spent and you conservatives cry about it is a joke"..... Huh. Think I see a part of the problem regarding why this county is in such a mess and is under leadership of complete dolts right there, with that statement!

And regarding your pathetic attempt at an insult regarding "no collateral (that's how you spell it, friend) needed"...better try again. It's SUPPOSED to based off a complex formula involving the GNP. Civics class indeed. Try economics class. "




tax-funded services wrote on Aug 18, 2009 10:39 AM:

" The banks were loaned the money and are already being paid back. The same goes for the auto industry. Did you look into Dollar Hegemony or are you still stuck in High School Civics class. When Nixon took us off of the gold standard. We no longer needed Colerateral to back the money we print. So all those trillions of deficit dollars spent and you conservatives cry about it, is a joke.
Any tax-funded services as YOU call them, forced on the people is not a service. It's a dis service. Dare I say Socialism. "




to Great Program wrote on Aug 17, 2009 1:09 PM:

" re: tax-funded services
"Call them what I want"? Uh....OK. Sure. I guess that's what I'll continue to call them since that's what they are. While I'm at it, I think I'll continue to refer to the Sun as "the Sun" and the sky as "the Sky" too. What do you call them? (sheesh)

"Let the banks fail"? Oh, so if we don't have trillions of dollars of deficit spending and nationalization of industry, is that what happens? The "banks fail"? (Didn't do so well in history, civics, economics or government class, did you? You'd make a good liberal politician!) "




Great Program. wrote on Aug 17, 2009 11:17 AM:

" Tax-funded services, okay you call it what you want. I suppose you would of let the banks fail. What then Genius? But don't worry Boy Genius as long as the United States practices Dollar Hegemony we will be just fine! Wake up Dude! "




say what wrote on Aug 17, 2009 9:22 AM:

" to Joe;
Gotta hand it to you; you're stubborn. You obviously are comfortable in your ignorance and aren't capable or willing to educate yourself.

"Free hand-out"?! HA HA! So Alaska returning the taxes from it's prime industry to the residents is a 'hand out' in your book? Unless the state is keeping all taxed money and deciding FOR you how to spend it, it's a 'hand-out'?

"Fore every dollar we get it's costing you in the lower 48?" How do you figure that? Are the taxes on the Washington State apple industry "costing me a dollar" too? Sheesh! "




jp wrote on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 AM:

" to joe from the lower iq 48

all of which were part of the deal in which that money was paid back by the oil companies with interest, and the Federal government was guaranteed a percentage as well.

Try again Joe. "




Joe from the lower 48 wrote on Aug 17, 2009 4:36 AM:

" Re: jp wrote " joe, the alyeska pipeline was a "Private" project, from ARCO, BP, and Humble oil companies. "

From 1968 through 1977 millions of my tax dollars were spent of legislation,court challenges, government funded studies and legislators salaries just so those like you could get a free hand out from your state government. Now those like you have grown accustomed to the life of free hand outs, and when challenged not only become defensive but offensive as well.For every dollar you get free, it`s costing someone in the lower 48 a higher cost for fuel. "




to Great Program wrote on Aug 16, 2009 7:25 PM:

" Now now, funny liberal, those things aren't called "socialism". They're called "tax-funded services". (Maybe see if you can sit in on a high school civics class? If you understand it, you can try stepping it up to a college-level!) What private services were dissolved to create them? None!

Government take-over of private industrialization, banks and lending institutions, insurance etc....is called "socialism". When you lemmings hand over as much money as the government can squeeze in return for doing all your thinking and 'taking care of you'. (But then, liberals like it that way, don't they?) "




Great Program wrote on Aug 16, 2009 11:09 AM:

" My God! Nobody is going to take away your clunker! You alarmist out their need to become more informed. And to all of you fear mongering the government is going to take over crowd. If and when, God forbid your house is on fire don't send the firetruck that's Socialism. If and when your house is broken into don't send the police, that's Socialism. If and when you have children don't send them to public school, that's Socialism. If and when you reach 65 don't burden the rest of us by going on Medicare, that's Socialism. Do you get it? "




Mo2usps wrote on Aug 16, 2009 7:53 AM:

" Just a thought, when one has to file this years tax return, will there be a entry required for the cash rebate from the purchase of a new car under the program. Seems like there will be, and i will assume most people will not have the extra money to pay the taxes on the free goverment money. REMEMBER nothing is every FREE from the Goverment. The only way they have money is to TAX us American citizens. "




Uncle Jed wrote on Aug 15, 2009 3:22 AM:

" This Gov. program is silly and poor people like me have to buy clunkers because we can't afford brand new cars. Don't let them take our used cars away to be scrapped! About the lifeline free cell phone program: My brother makes $33 an hour, works full time and gets kid care, lifeline and W.I.C.. The handouts are out of control! "




To Joe wrote on Aug 13, 2009 9:47 PM:

" Joe, Joe, Joe....it's almost time for school to start again...hit the books hard, especially history. Then, when you really have some facts stuffed in your brain come back and tell us how it really is, OK? "




say what wrote on Aug 13, 2009 6:38 PM:

" Joe...what in the HECK are you rambling on about? My god man...are you really this dense? Wow!

How, exactly, does Alaska giving back a portion of the taxes it collects back to it's residents any different than your state keeping all of it? How does that affect you in the slightest? Are you somehow under this goofy impression that this amount is deducted from what the Feds get?

And how is it your little mind interprets this model as 'socialism', but the government taking ALL of it is not? Not much of an education, eh Joe? "




jp wrote on Aug 13, 2009 5:31 PM:

" joe, better learn to read your history books.
the alyeska pipeline was a "Private" project, from ARCO, BP, and Humble oil companies. "




Joe from the lower 48 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 1:32 PM:

" Re: Bob wrote" . Alaska taxes oil, but instead of keeping all of it, it disperses some of it back directly to its residents"
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Well now, isn`t that generous of all you Alsakan`s getting a nice check back for every man, woman, and child in your state, off my back!!.

Thanks for forcing the lower 48 states to pay more for what belongs to all of us, while you take advantage of the very socialist policies you think nothing of condemning.

By the way my federal taxes also helped pay for the pipe line!! "




Joe from the lower 48 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 1:21 PM:

" Re: good idea wrote "You want to 'stimulate the economy'? Yes, you give tax breaks''
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ROTFLMAO-- Same-O Same-O, All the GOP knows is tax cuts, tax cuts, and tax cuts, for the rich.
Reagan's trickle down economics, Tax cuts for the rich, has been proven to be a disaster and didn`t work. Not one major economists in the nation said the stimulus plan was a bad idea or that recovery could have happened with out it. It`s working, the economy is reviving and that`s the GOP`s worst nightmare, something Obama demanded,working. "




to Bob wrote on Aug 13, 2009 12:25 PM:

" Your state and every other state is partially dependent on something as a source of income. Hawaii leans heavily on tourism, Washington on apples and wheat etc etc. And those industries are usually taxed and the state government uses those taxes to decide what's best for it's citizens. Alaska taxes oil, but instead of keeping all of it, it disperses some of it back directly to its residents to spend how they see fit (which is good for the economy). The only difference is your gov't deciding it all or letting us have some control.! "




Bob fro Nevada wrote on Aug 13, 2009 11:46 AM:

" Someone wrote that people getting earned income tax credits were getting something for nothing.. Tell me what you have to do besises live there to get that free check each year from oil revenue. "




good idea wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:53 AM:

" Yeah, that's my responsibility as a tax-payer: to let the government use MY money for auto industry, banks etc. Because, if you believe the propoganda, that's what 'stimulates the economy'. Nevermind that that's been proven wrong EVERY TIME (as it is now). You want to 'stimulate the economy'? Yes, you give tax breaks and whatever else you can to put as much of OUR money back in OUR hands for spending! What do you think unemployment insurance is for? A social welfare program? WRONG! It's to inject fast money into the economy (look it up!) "




Joe from the lower 48 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 7:14 AM:

" Re: Give me a break wrote on Aug 12, 2009 5:38 PM:
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The GOP hypocrisy problem is simple, they don`t receive any huge re-election donations from "cash for clunkers", but just let them hand over a few billion here or there to KBR, Halliburton or to the mercenary killers at Blackwater and the support is never ending. What possible good can come to the GOP, with something good for America? "CFC" or, heath care for everyone gets them nothing in return, unless they just say "NO"? Grassley= $ 2 million in H.Care donations?? "




Joe from the lower 48 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 6:57 AM:

" Re: " a-Obama "inherited" a deficit that, as a Congressman, he helped create when he votes along party lines to ease banking regulations
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Come on--Trying to blame Obama for 14 years of previous GOP screwups before he became a senator is a cop out. All we heard from the GOP since 1994 is it`s all Clintons fault. Not once have I seen these GOP poltroons take responcibility for what they created, WMD`s, the ownership society. Bush demanded dereguation of business. How many coal miners are dead because of underfunding OSHA? "




Give me a break wrote on Aug 12, 2009 5:38 PM:

" Yeah, so those of you who are so in favor of tax cuts are opposed to giving a break on the inflated cost of a new car so that the auto industry can get a shot in the arm in an otherwise dismal economy. What is wrong with that. Remember targeted and timely stimulus is what was predicted by economists on both sides of economic perspective to be what would be helpful.

Oh, I know, it is because it was promoted by Obama....All Obama equates all bad. Conservatives are shooting themselves in the foot. "




to dand wrote on Aug 12, 2009 9:32 AM:

" So when the auto industry bottoms out in part to crappy lending and banking laws, its up to us to bail them out AND your family with massive over-spending and tripling debt. THEN, somewhere in all that, you actually believe the fairy tale about 'spending helps the economy' that has been pushed for years by liberals and has been PROVEN false every time?! Goes against everything taught in even the most basic economics class?

I see you've taken the bait regarding over-spending and nationalization somehow 'helping'. I guess it's true; in hard times people will desperately believe bunk. "




dand wrote on Aug 11, 2009 7:33 PM:

" Obviously you don't have a son, who has lost his job in the auto ....with one son in college, and is almost 50 years old....obviously you don't have a daughter at age 31, lost her job in a restaurant...and obviously you're on the Alaskan oil dole and don't consider all of us that do have to pay state taxes.

The "Clunkers' program MIGHT cause a jumpstart in SOMETHING that would take the unemployment rate of 19.5%, where some of my friends live, down a little.

Want to swap homes ? "




to Joe wrote on Aug 10, 2009 8:57 AM:

" a-Obama "inherited" a deficit that, as a Congressman, he helped create when he votes along party lines to ease banking regulations
b-"tax cuts for the rich"? What propoganda piece gave you that campaign rhetoric? I suppose strapping the next two generations with the bill is the answer? Or nationalization of industry?
c- Your racist claim? Pure drivel. We don't like socialism or over-spending, but no,no..it's because we're 'racist' that we don't care for Obama! (sheesh!)

(BTW...he's only 25% black. He's 25% Arab and 50% white. So I guess we're 'racist' against Arabs and Whites, too, right?) "




jp wrote on Aug 10, 2009 8:47 AM:

" now (according to Joe from the lower 48) anyone who does not agree with any of Obamas plans, is a Racist???
Where did that come from Joe? Was it Warranted?
As the government told us minorities " we can't be racist, we're minorities!"
So, i guess that gives me the right to call anybody anything, right?
I do have to say one thing about tea parties, There is noooooo waaaaay I'd ever TeaBag Nancy Pelosi!!!!! ick! "




Give it a rest wrote on Aug 10, 2009 8:26 AM:

" Joe, go soak your head. This BS wherein anybody that has an issue with Obama's socialist-leaning, failed policies is a result of 'racism' is nothing but a childish bullying tactic from those that have nothing to support thier stance. What about those minorities (including blacks) that don't support Obama? What are they 'guilty' of?

Unsubstantiated garbage like that played out 'racism' allegation don't rise above just being disgusting. Come back when you can be an adult and debate with some real facts. "




Joe from the lower 48 wrote on Aug 10, 2009 5:59 AM:

" President Barack Obama inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit, and the worst recession since the 30`s. He`s been in office six months, and the neo-con right wingers think everything left for him to correct should have been accomplished with more tax cuts for the rich, while letting everything else implode. For these racist it`s not about anything he does, it`s all about not wanting a blackman in charge and they will do anything to "hope for failure", with Limbaugh and Fox new talking head`s leading the charge. That`s the bottom line. "




Liberal parrot wrote on Aug 10, 2009 12:14 AM:

" Obama has tripled the deficit in only 7 months with record-spending. Billions in the "stimulus" (yeah, right) went to pork. As a previous blogger has pointed out, several billions went to fund abortions in foreign countries. Everything Obama denied in regards to his healthcare plan during the campaign has been proven correct (fining those who don't sign up, etc.).

Oh, but let me guess....that's all "Bush's fault" right?

Gimme a break... "




addition wrote on Aug 9, 2009 10:26 PM:

" i have a problem with everyone telling me that a cost to us taxpayers is "negligible". If you add up all the "small" taxes that make someone elses life easier, my taxes are no longer small and my life is NOT easier. "




to letter writer wrote on Aug 9, 2009 5:11 PM:

" A "cash for clunkers" article twisted into some raving loony blog about "Bush spending" and "WMD"s! Does it get any more pathetic?
1) "Illegal war"?! Wrong. Time to actually do some of your own thinking instead of parroting what the protesting morons chant.
2) Obama and this Congress have out-spent ANY previous administration in history, and in less than 1 year in power.
3) Spent to 'benefit Americans'? Oh, is that what a record deficit does? 'Benefit Americans'? Care to explain how that works? While you're at it...please tell me how spending billions to fund foreign abortions 'benefits Americans', clown! "




Liberals wrote on Aug 9, 2009 12:52 PM:

" Will you liberals ever get over Bush? I'm guessing that after Obama's approval rating completely tanks, Bush will be blamed for that too. It doesn't seem to matter what subject comes up for people to comment on, eventually Bush gets blamed. I think it is obvious for all to see that the hypocrite liberals don't know how to run a country either. Their lies will cost us even more money. "




Letter writer is misguided wrote on Aug 8, 2009 5:48 PM:

" The Bush administration ran through the national budget in record time, and then put America in debt to China, India, and Mexico....to finance an illegal war, and saddled us all with a debt that will be borne for many generations.

Where were you complainers when those triillions were squandered on a war based on lies? The WMD lie covered up greed on the part of the last administration, and big corporations, for Iraq's oil. The lack of fiscal responsibility led to our financial crisis.

Now you complain when money is spent to benefit Americans! "




To Disgusted etc. wrote on Aug 8, 2009 5:34 PM:

" You are a clueless, presumptuous, uninformed jerk. Why don't you stick to topics you know about?

The Lifeline telephone program is for people who don't HAVE the money to pay for their own phones! Yes, there are actually people who cannot pay! In your alternate universe those people have money laying around. But, that isn't how it is.

Many people must have a phone to stay in touch with emergency vehicles, in case of need, and medical ambulances, etc. The program allows them to do so, and its cost to taxpayers is negligible. "




To Amanda King wrote on Aug 8, 2009 5:28 PM:

" The program is intended to take gas-guzzling cars off the road, and it has been successful. I am sorry to see things destroyed, too, but in this case there is justification.

To qualify as a "clunker" a car must get less than 19 miiles per gallon, and meet other criteria. The program is a smart way to get the car manufacturers, and the public, on board with lower gas mileage, hybrids, and electric cars.

Many people complain, about the wrong things, at the wrong times. You seem to be one of them. "




to Joe wrote on Aug 8, 2009 3:57 PM:

" Joe, you win the 'idiot' trophy hands down. To follow your logic: wasting government money in record amounts (side note: this administration and congress out-spend the previous 8 years of spending during the past 6 MONTHS!) is OK because of the way the previous administration spent money. HUH? How in the HECK does that come together in your mind? "Obama is good because Bush was bad"? Is that how it works? Fix Bush spending my spending more?!

I guess there truly are those too stubborn to admit when they've been had, or were wrong! "




3pug007 wrote on Aug 8, 2009 12:04 PM:

" This program is a waste. We moved from Wasilla to Michigan last week and decided to look for a car for our 16 year old son. The salesmen told us this program really hit at a bad time, between the '09 and '10 model years, when inventory is low. It will also drive the prices of used cars through the roof. The biggest waste, aside from taxpayer dollars, is the "clunkers" being traded in. My son drooled over a 2000 Blazer that was headed for the crusher. Another boneheaded mistake by our fearless leaders "




Joe from the lower 48 wrote on Aug 8, 2009 7:46 AM:

" Spending six-ten billion a month for seven years on a war based on lies in Iraq, causing the deaths of 4300 American`s and 35,000 severely injured is acceptable to GOP clowns, but pumping three billion into the American economy with cash for clunkers is wasteful? Nothing but southern GOP racist rhetoric of "hope for failure" by embarrassed Alaskan GOP losers who continue to think the crap from Palin was factual. I would be embarrassed as well if I believed all the lies. "




to Yeah wrote on Aug 7, 2009 11:52 AM:

" The CARS program enabled all that? Or the nationalization of the auto industry? "




fishhook wrote on Aug 7, 2009 11:49 AM:

" its funny how a lot of you are complaining about tax money being spent on Americans. you were nowhere to be found when bush was spending billions of tax dollars on an illegal war to make profits for his oil buddies. i want frugal spending by the government with my money, just like most of you do. i agree that this program has some problems, but it also has some good points. "




OH WHO CARES move one with YOUR life wrote on Aug 7, 2009 11:42 AM:

" Oh its been happening for years in worse ways.....Look into earned income credit, there are people who make $8000-10,000 a year, pay 0 taxes and they still get a $3000+ tax return on money they NEVER paid.

All while the same family who earns over $100,000 a year pays $12k in taxes and they might get 3k of it back if they have enough right-offs. "




Disgusted w cash for clunkers wrote on Aug 7, 2009 11:07 AM:

" Those evil working types are already paying for your cell phone. Know anyone with a "LifeLine" phone? It's government tax money (your money) paying for cell phones and cheap cell service for those who don't want to have to pay for it with their own money. "




jp to Yeah wrote on Aug 7, 2009 10:53 AM:

" and what happens when this program ends?
Do you really think the rest of us will go out and buy a car without a free handout?
I really think it is an injustice to steal my tax money, and give it to just anyone who wants a new car!
I call that Theft!
The Obama/Pelosi plan is very simple, dig a big hole, and throw everyone in it. Their plan is working, and most of you are just too stupid to see it. "




Thank you.. wrote on Aug 7, 2009 10:20 AM:

" Thank you for pointing out how moronic the cash for clunkers program is. I laugh every time I see a new tiny tin can foreign car pass me with the temporary sticker in the window, the smiling people inside with no clue, I'm glad I have a paid for made in the USA pickup truck clunker to drive as I look down at the clueless. It is still cheaper and safer to drive than that little tin can economy car that the clueless just passed me in. ha ha ha ha I love my CLUNKER! "




Yeah wrote on Aug 7, 2009 10:05 AM:

" Yippy! Another editorial where the author only presents the facts that support her position and blatantly ignores the others. I am not necessarily saying the CARS program is great, but I could easily write a one-sided article talking about its success. How about this: the CARS program has allowed dealerships to stay in business, thousands of autoworkers to stay employed, and allowed citizens the opportunity to purchase safer, more reliable, and more efficient vehicles at a reduced cost. But I guess stating all of the facts in an unbiased format isn't very American anymore. Program Cost: $21 per taxpayer. "




watcher wrote on Aug 6, 2009 9:48 PM:

" Remember when some people used to be envious of the successful? Now...I wish I were a lazy parasite living in some trailer park. Then I would have an honest shot at those chumps that work for a living buying me a house, car and providing me with better health care than them! What's the incentive to work hard and succeed? My heros currently in charge can put me on the dole for more than ever! Maybe, soon, those evil working types will be made to pay my cell phone and cable bill, too! "




sharpie wrote on Aug 6, 2009 8:32 PM:

" OH MY GOSH! Thanks to those mean ole Republicans (just ignore the Dems in Congress folks. And the economists that proved otherwise) those valiant Democrats inherited a poor economy with a .04% loss of GDP and a big deficit. BUT WAIT! WHAT'S THIS?! It's Prophet Obama, here to save the day!! Yes, by gosh...we'll fix this economy with record-breaking and massive over-spending! Nationalization of industry and banks by the always-frugal government! Massive pork spending! We'll applaud ONLY losing another .11% of GDP and a tripling of the deficit as a 'success'! We'll spend billions on old cars! YAY!!! "




jp wrote on Aug 6, 2009 7:55 PM:

" very good input, accurate as well.
One thing i can add to it is; look what it will do to the aftermarket parts/repair industry. This industry has already taken a big hit, and is down double digit percentages.
This program will do away with smaller shops/ parts suppliers by the dozens.
this will no doubt take longer to see the results of it's destruction, but rest assured it is already happening.
if you don't believe me, ask your local shop, or parts store. "