President’s speech ripe for squabble among partisans


Published on Saturday, September 5, 2009 8:16 PM AKDT

The extremes came, and passions boiled, when it was brought to light that President Obama plans to make a speech to America’s schoolchildren Tuesday.

The conservative radio talking heads jumped all over the event, calling it indoctrination and worse, referring to the speech as the way Hitler calmed his tribe into a course of hatred.

Comparing the president to Hitler, no matter what side of the fence you feed on, is flat nonsense. Anybody who does should be ashamed, if not in counseling.

Some radioheads called for parents to keep their children home Tuesday so they won’t have to experience the talk.

That’s not a bad idea, except it doesn’t give the parents much of a teaching point. The speech is supposedly online for parents to read. After they read it, they can make a reasonable decision about whether they want to hold their students out that day, or just have them excused for study hall or homeroom while the speech is aired.

Then they can discuss with their children why they made the decision they made.

Most Valley schools aren’t pressing the issue either way, and more to the point, many of the schools simply don’t have the technology to provide the speech live.

For those who see nothing wrong with the president speaking to schoolchildren in their classrooms might consider the feelings of the people discussed above. After all, access to what the president thinks and says isn’t exactly hard to find. And if he wanted to speak to the students, all he has to do is create a place on the presidential Web site where students and teachers can access the message at their leisure.

Put it online, Mr. President, and let the students and parents and teachers decide on their own time whether what you have to say is worth reading and teaching.

The president wants to encourage students to get serious about education. This from his press secretary Robert Gibbs:

“I think we’ve reached a little bit of the silly season when the president of the United States can’t tell kids in school to study hard and stay in school.”

See, that’s the irony here.

The students who might see the speech are in school like he wants them to be. The ones who need to hear it most, aren’t.

And there’s this: If the message is for students to work hard in school and attend regularly, why is he interrupting their school day to encourage them to do those things they are already doing?

 

Comments

174 comment(s)

    to Katie wrote on Sep 26, 2009 5:01 PM:

    " Look it up?! Here's something for YOU to "look up"; tell me how many Presidents before Commissar Obama had cute little lessons planned to be distributed to schools courtesy of the Dept of Education chock-full of "why I love the President" crap! Want the answer? NONE! And as far as 'teaching kids to respect the President'...Really? Is that how it was with those same previous Presidents you mention? What happened to all your little "Dissent is Patriotic" bumper stickers? HA! No, I'm sorry but I'll teach my kids to think for themselves rather than blind, Lenin-esque loyalty! "

    Palmer Farm wrote on Sep 25, 2009 4:52 PM:

    " General McChrystal, head of US forces in Afghanistan, says that the situation is WORSE in Afghanistan due to Obama's 'shifting strategy' (i.e. indecisive, inexperienced and inept). What happened to all the blindly loyal liberals who said "See? Obama has a plan for success in Afghanistan!" when he was under fire for his Plan for Failure? Remember the Democrats closing ranks and saying the battle in Afghanistan will be BETTER under Obama despite signs it would be worse? Uh-huh. "

    Katie wrote on Sep 25, 2009 11:28 AM:

    " I can't believe you're still going on about this! So Obama told kids to stay in school. Shouldn't that be great? As I said before - so did Reagan (who DID talk about his tax policies - LOOK IT UP!) and so did Bush. Reagan also advised them to Just Say No to drugs. No one got hurt, and maybe some kids listened. Parents should at least have the patriotism to teach their children to respect their president, even if they don't like him or agree with his policies. "

    Power Wagon wrote on Sep 25, 2009 9:08 AM:

    " Slapped my forehead and laughed at the lunacy last night! First the mighty Obama runs around apologizing to the tyrants of the world and demonstrating how weak the current government is. Now he tries to 'talk tough' at the U.N. and goes down in flames! But not satisfied with that, he then snubs the UK, our strongest ally in in the world! WOW! What a GREAT replacement for Bush the wackos put in office! LOL! "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Sep 25, 2009 6:24 AM:

    " jp could be on to something. I met a guy in a bar once who claimed he did the Vince Foster job. Could have just been baudy bar talk, but he seemed too professional for that. "

    Independents clone wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:59 PM:

    " Hmmmm....this paper didn't print one of my leftist nutty rantings. It must be part of the "right wing conspiracy". I think I'll cry and rock myself to sleep while watching a Micheal Moore 'movie' and stick to blogging on that objective, fair, unbiased rag called The New York Times. Maybe the Huffington Post. While wearing my tin-foil hat so nobody can read my brain waves. "

    Independent wrote on Sep 24, 2009 5:34 PM:

    " Hmmm...interesting...my relatively short, G-rated response to 'watcher' last night didn't make it in here. (Must've cut a little too close to the bone, eh Frontiersman? Or maybe 'watcher' blogs while editng there?)

    I wonder how many other responders who don't worship at the altar of bad Republican presidents have been axed.

    Shameful.

    Maybe when The Frontiersman folds you can get a job interning at Fox, or picking up prescriptions for Limbaugh.

    Think I'll move along to the more fair-minded, and popular ADN blog, and leave this for narrow-minded tiny towners. "

    Fruit Loop wrote on Sep 24, 2009 4:57 PM:

    " jp, you've officially gone 'round the bend. What's a word for what happens beyond insane? What's a word for what happens beyond bitter? That's you. It must be terrible, and I hope you get better. "

    say what wrote on Sep 24, 2009 4:56 PM:

    " to jp:
    LOL..yes, or the former attorney-turned-judge who was the principal partner with the Clintons during Whitewater who committed suicide by jumping in front of a bus. Or his secretary that survived a plane crash, helped others on the ground, then died in the helicopter due to a deep laceration of one of her main arteries. (Amazing she was able to help walk on it for TWO HOURS before succumbing, eh?)

    Yeah, Democrats are awesome.... "

    jp to say what wrote on Sep 24, 2009 4:08 PM:

    " Don't forget the Whitewater scandal, where Hillary put a hit on several people who magically disappeared, hung themselves (with nothing even closeby to stand on) and the best one; the guy who apparently shot himself in the head 3 times with a 357 mag., and they called it "suicide"
    even the guy in protective custody wound up dead.
    But Hillary had nothing to do with any of it! lol yeah, okay! "

    jp wrote on Sep 24, 2009 2:02 PM:

    " how about Obama dropping all of our defenses, and embracing the terrorist communities, letting them know our intelligence policies and sources. Discrediting every american, calling them all stupid and arrogant, slapping our veterans in the face.
    So much has happened that is wrong with his administration Qadaffi calls him "Son"
    Got to wonder if he is a terrorist! "

    say what wrote on Sep 24, 2009 10:18 AM:

    " The wonderful Clintons still have to be my favorite. Trading illegal campaign donations from China for military-grade computers and trade concessions, stolen FBI files, pardoning bombers and convicted coke-dealing murderers, lying under oath etc etc. Yeah, Democrat Presidents are SO much better than Republicans! HA! "

    Independent wrote on Sep 23, 2009 5:58 PM:

    " OMG, I'd be here all night long typing 100-word blogs one after the other outlining the Reagans' lengthy list of failures, shortcomings and maltreatment of the American people. Who has that kind of time?

    To compare Obama's measly nine-months in office to eight years of Nancy and Ronnie tells me everything I need to know about your level of intelligence.

    Pick a fight with someone your own age. With whatever due respect, I'm too mature for you. "

    Palmer Farm wrote on Sep 23, 2009 4:21 PM:

    " Every Republican President hasn't been great. All Lincoln did was create the Emancipation Proclamation, Reagan won the Cold War and ushered in economic prosperity that was felt clear through Clinton's term, and what about Bush? We were attacked mere months after he took office by those that were allowed to prosper under Clinton. Afterwards, we've never been attacked again. Darn Republicans! We need more presidents like Carter, who broke our back and threw us under the bus to the Soviets. Or Clinton, who sold us out to China and let Osama off the hook, or spend-a-holic Obama! "

    watcher wrote on Sep 23, 2009 8:54 AM:

    " I'm with Independent. Reagan was terrible, despite ushiering in an economic plan that lead to a surplus and setting forth policies that brought an end to the Soviet Union, freeing several Eastern European countries. And I also think Obama is great, despite increasing the deficit from 2 trillion to 10 trillion, blowing off one of our allies (Israel) and several of those same Eastern European countries in order to appease Russia, spending several billion of our money to help the Japanese auto industry etc etc. Yessier, the view from in here is great! "

    watcher wrote on Sep 23, 2009 8:46 AM:

    " Littlebird wrote on Sep 22, 2009 12:57 PM:

    " don't indulge thier silly attempt to remove the focus from their inability to continue defending this joke of a "President"

    Chicago to LIttlebird wrote on Sep 22, 2009 2:58 PM:

    " The "joke" of a president and his "corrupt lackeys" (see Cheney, Limbaugh, Coulter, Hughes, Hannity, O'Reilly et al) left office last January.

    Chicago to Littlebird wrote on Sep 22, 2009 5:25 PM
    "Nowhere did I state that Bush was bad therefore Obama is good "

    OOPS! "

    jp wrote on Sep 23, 2009 8:39 AM:

    " we haven't had a good president in our lifetime! i guess we should be used to it now.
    Obama and his address to the general assembly today was a slap in the face to everyone in the U.S., and every other country in the world. I guess we are all just supposed to bow and kiss the Royal feet of the supreme being known as "The Obama"
    Qadafi was a more accurate speaker, and i believe him over Obama.
    When will Obamas arrogance cost even more of our countrymen/women's lives? "

    Independent wrote on Sep 22, 2009 5:54 PM:

    " Unbelievable.

    What part of 'per 100,000' don't you understand? The base variables are per percentage of population. To suggest because Alaska's so under-populated the variables should change is beyond ludicrous.

    They say denial's part of addiction; I suspect you're in denial about factual statistics because of your own troubles.

    BTW, I for one do think Obama's great...lord knows Bush was bad (both of them), Reagan was bad (yeah--both of 'em, if Ronnie's Cabinet's telling the truth), Nixon--oh, please... I don't think my generation's seen a good Republican president yet. "

    jp wrote on Sep 22, 2009 5:47 PM:

    " we all know that Bush was bad, but, Obama and Pelosi in office is like letting Phillip Garrido babysit for you.
    If you can't see the blatant fiscal stupidity going on you must be blind.
    Today the government let AIG off without having to pay back bailout money. isn't that aaawesome?
    but! tha recession is over because they said so!
    keep drinking the koolaid! "

    Chicago to Littlebird wrote on Sep 22, 2009 5:25 PM:

    " Yes you do need logic explained to you for sure. Nowhere did I state that Bush was bad therefore Obama is good. You just gave it the old (very old) right-handed twist, read into what's not there, and spew out something completely different razzle dazzle play. I just thought you had your heads of State mixed up. I can't give you full credit for your cute comparison though since it's been used elsewhere before. You do need to be cautious though. Your hatred is beginning to show "

    Littlebird wrote on Sep 22, 2009 4:26 PM:

    " Ah, there it is again. "Obama is good because Bush was bad." I look forward to the day somebody can explain the logic of that one to me. That's like saying "Lenin was a great leader because Hitler was a bad one." Unhappy with Bush policies? OK. But replacing them with THIS?! Wrong direction, folks! "

    Chicago to LIttlebird wrote on Sep 22, 2009 2:58 PM:

    " Hey pssst. Littlebird. You should read a paper now and then. The "joke" of a president and his "corrupt lackeys" (see Cheney, Limbaugh, Coulter, Hughes, Hannity, O'Reilly et al) left office last January. Talk about running roughshod over the constitution. These boys (Bush/Cheney) wrote the book. That's OK though. We'll agree to disagree. Now then. Isn't that better?

    ps: the only reason the drug/substance abuse stuff came up is because the locals kept saying that those who disagreed with them should, "take your meds", or "take your pills." "

    Chicago to jp wrote on Sep 22, 2009 1:02 PM:

    " You should try stand-up comedy, say like open mike night at the moose lodge. You're da-- right I lean left. (no pun intended). I am very proud of the fact that I care about my fellow human beings that may not have the opportunities or possessions that I have. You're da-- right I don't say "screw you" to someone down and out. You're da-- right I lean left jp. I could not be prouder of that fact. Unfortunately for folks like yourself, your hatred and bitterness will be your demise. "

    Littlebird wrote on Sep 22, 2009 12:57 PM:

    " You guys are falling for this? The conversation went from Obama's cute little "love me" speech attempt to a long debate on the drug and alcohol issues of Alaska? Of course it did! Once you start to hedge people in regarding thier stance on this administration they need a way out. The subject changed and they're not going to let you get back on topic, of course! They don't have leg to stand on, don't indulge thier silly attempt to remove the focus from their inability to continue defending this joke of a "President" or his corrupt lackeys! "

    Power Wagon wrote on Sep 22, 2009 11:50 AM:

    " Independent;
    Droning on in a condescending attitude to others is funny considering you have yet to demonstrate the ability to follow along! You can spout percentages all day long...doesn't change the fact that California has more drug addicts than the entire population of Alaska! (As does New York, New Jersey, Washington, Louisiana, etc etc) Using percentages for states like Alaska, the Dakotas, Wyoming when comparing them to other states is just dumb! "

    sharpie wrote on Sep 22, 2009 10:42 AM:

    " Don't have to take a course in statistics. Already have. Which is how I know how statistics are easily manipulated (do I take the average of all polled villages and cities together? Do I add them and use a median? Depends on the point I'm trying to make!)

    Simple point; If I say "50% of the people in location A are alcoholics compared to 10% of location B, but location A has 2 people and location B has 10,000"...hardly a conclusive study.

    Now that I've thoroughly confused your closed mind, shall you continue to parrot your failed point? "

    jp wrote on Sep 22, 2009 8:16 AM:

    " Chicago is just the typical left winger. Show them proof, and they just spout "nah, nah, nah, i can't hear you, and you're stupid"
    That's it!!!!! he's Nancy Pelosi!!! "

    Independent to sharpie wrote on Sep 22, 2009 3:01 AM:

    " Uh... what part of 'twice the national average' and 'four times the national average' (per 100,000 residents, respectively--regardless of total population of any given state) don't you understand?

    Appararently, none of it.

    You might want to consider a course in Statistics. You have heard of college, right?

    You don't sound too "sharpie" to me.

    Next time: think first; react last. "

    Independent to say what wrote on Sep 21, 2009 4:52 PM:

    " 'interesting evidence', you say, regarding Chicago's assertions? My, my what a hypothetical wizard you are, making such vast presumptions from a little ole blog.

    You must be a Republican. "

    sharpie wrote on Sep 21, 2009 4:43 PM:

    " Independent;
    That's...let's see....4 times by my count that somebody has tried to explain the folly of comparing percentages to hard numbers when it comes to a state with the 2nd smallest population in the US vs. the rest of the nation. Yet, you can't seem to grasp the concept. Don't know what more somebody can do to help you understand. This site doesn't allow stick-figure drawings with arrows and tutorial videos. "

    say what wrote on Sep 21, 2009 3:31 PM:

    " I read Chicago's blogs. I see such him calling people that catch his errors "doofus", "little boys", "slugs", "losers", "stupid" etc etc. Then I see a blog wherein he complains about percepted slights against him or perceived insults. Interesting evidence that hypocrisy is indeed a characterisic of the those that support left-leaning politics. "

    Chicago to jp wrote on Sep 21, 2009 3:15 PM:

    " Yeah, that's it. Must not be. Hey, did you try out for open mike night at the moose lodge? You should. Man that was some kind of witty comeback.

    Oh, and here is a question that you and only you can answer. Does stupid hurt? Seriously, are you in pain? HAHA HAHA. Seeya Doof. :P "

    Independent wrote on Sep 21, 2009 3:12 PM:

    " To Independent's buddy/Palmer farm (probably the same person anyway):

    Alaska’s suicide rate is 20.9 per every 100,000 residents, almost twice the national average of 10.6 for every 100,000; and, Alaska Natives' suicide rates are nearly four times the national average. Alaskan males commit 86% of suicides.

    Alaska tops out internationally as well.

    Get your facts straight--and get off the dope. Had you followed the discussion here, you'd know why this came up in the first place--it started with some right wing whackos and their drug obsession. Bet your illiteracy rate's pretty high, too. "

    jp wrote on Sep 21, 2009 8:36 AM:

    " Chicago, by his own description must not be an educated person!
    "Talk about one sided" "

    Independents buddy wrote on Sep 21, 2009 8:30 AM:

    " A few more things that are obvious;
    I want to keep this drug subject going as long as possible in order to divert attention away from the fact that I can't debate this article or the points made by others. ("Facts" throw me for a loop, what can I say?) But even at that, you can clearly see that I have no comprehension of the law or reality and am not smart enough to look it up. So please indulge me as I continue to squawk and ramble on cluelessly. "

    Palmer Farm wrote on Sep 20, 2009 8:40 PM:

    " 1) Suicide rates=based off percentage. Alaska has one of the smallest populations in the country. Therefore, agenda-driven people can twist perception by using skewed date. If you go by hard numbers, Alaska falls at the bottome compared to most other states. So, before you spout pseudo-intellectual nonsense and condescending insults, check your facts lest you end up looking like a fool (too late?)

    2) Interesting debate. When do the "my dad is bigger than your dad" and "nanny nanny boo-boo"s start? "

    Independent wrote on Sep 20, 2009 8:32 AM:

    " One more thing--lest I forget to point out the obvious...

    The blogger under the name 'to independent' provides zero evidence that Alaska's marijuana laws past/present haven't been the most liberal in the entire nation.

    If you want to get your unparalleled suicide rates under control, you may want to look at your drug problems there. The two typically go hand-in-hand.

    Good luck to you--you'll need it. "

    Independent to Chicago wrote on Sep 20, 2009 7:46 AM:

    " You're right. Why try to rationalize with extremists?

    The Republican party cannot control their rabid, right-wing terrorists---aka popularly 'the American Taliban'--under the dictatorship of Limbaugh, Beck, Palin et al. With increasing frustration the true-blue GOP's joining ranks with Independents (like me) and even the Democrats, to get away from the terrorist's raunchy smell and unpatriotic behavior.

    Knee deep in lunancy, these whackos believe they can blend violence, paranoia, and propaganda with extreme Christianity--into a twisted version of democracy, that looks more like Middle East extremism by the day.

    Let's not go there. "

    Littlebird wrote on Sep 20, 2009 1:30 AM:

    " LOL...wow...too funny....its like getting insulted by Forrest Gump. The last one with the 'little boys' thing was the icing on the cake! Thanks all for the laugh! "

    Chicago wrote on Sep 19, 2009 5:19 PM:

    " No tissue needed. Since you don't understand (surprise, surprise) I will explain. A sign of an educated person is one who can listen, read, discuss and debate all sides of an issue. You slugs are incapable of anything remotely close to that.
    As far as my comments about you, it is merely a taste back of your own medicine. Good luck my bitter little boys. "

    jp to Chicago wrote on Sep 19, 2009 2:35 PM:

    " do you need a tissue? "

    say what wrote on Sep 19, 2009 11:26 AM:

    " I'll compare education with a "dirt farmer" (?!) like you....you cannot simply debate an issue (lol..this is my favorite. You cannot "simply debate" an issue. In other words, KEEP IT SIMPLE or I'll get confused and have to keep changing the subject over and over again!) You have to 'slam you opponent personally' (which is mean...unless it's me doing it repeatedly in every single blathering blog I post in here)

    The opportunities for a laugh are indeed endless with this guy! And you're right, you can ALMOST feel sorry for him! "

    Chicago to jp watcher wrote on Sep 18, 2009 6:10 PM:

    " Nope. Feelings not hurt here. Just had other things to do for awhile. jp, perhaps your "guesswork" might be part of your problem. I don't condone Acorn's methods or ideology in any way. Sorry, you were wrong yet again. And Watcher, I don't need you to feel sorry. I'll compare educational background with a dirt farmer like you any day. See that's the problem. You cannot simply debate an issue. You have to slam your opponent personally. Get a life losers. "

    watcher wrote on Sep 18, 2009 2:43 PM:

    " Awwww.....looks like Chicago got his feelings hurt. Well, when you expose your ignorance and lack of education for the world to see, especially while in the process of throwing an on-line tantrum and silly taunts, its bound to happen. Hard to feel sorry for that. "

    jp wrote on Sep 18, 2009 12:00 PM:

    " i'm guessing Chicago is an Acorn Employee. "

    sharpie wrote on Sep 18, 2009 9:56 AM:

    " to jp;
    Alaska natives get far larger dividends and benefits from the oil money than other Alaska residents. They spent nothing in surveying, construction or extraction costs. So please tell me why they should get the entire amount? And how would it be beneficial for so few people to get that gargantuan of an amount while the rest of the state would have to tax the heck out of everything to make up the difference? "

    to independent wrote on Sep 18, 2009 9:53 AM:

    " You "heard" wrong. We've all "heard" some version of the amounts, etc of marijuana that's 'legal' to have in Alaska. The problem is, when you look it up you'll see that it's all false. One of the more popular Alaska myths to be sure, but a myth none-the-less. "

    2bornot2b wrote on Sep 18, 2009 7:44 AM:

    " The Minnesota Star Tribune excoriated Governor Pawlenty for ignoring Minnesota’s budget woes in his quest to jockey for the national spotlight in hopes of a future run for president. Gov. Pawlenty was repeatedly called out for wading into the national-health-insurance reform debate, and the Star Tribune noted, "He has dived so deep into the right-wing tide pool that by Thursday, he had joined Sarah Palin and a few other GOP confederates in threatening to invoke the 10th Amendment -- in effect having Minnesota secede from the union on health care reform with little regard for the effect on Minnesota's 450,000 "

    Chicago to Sharpie jp Power Tool and the rest of the bottom feeders wrote on Sep 18, 2009 5:55 AM:

    " Like I said before, I am not from Chicago but I do like the city.

    You all live by one simple paradigm. "I am right, you are wrong, therefore let me show you how stupid you are before you hurt yourself." You quote the press when it suits you, slam them when it doesn't. You joke about substance abuse. And then the grand daddy of them all. Take the goverment for everything you can but claim you are anti-goverment in the next breath. A bunch of ridiculous hypocrites is what you are. LOL "

    Remember When wrote on Sep 17, 2009 8:15 PM:

    " Pot got more votes than Wally. "

    Hybrid wrote on Sep 17, 2009 7:48 PM:

    " to Watcher:
    It's not about definitions. It's about
    how this specific payment/handout/welfare check has undermined the can-do spirit and self-reliant nature that used to characterize Alaskans. A Valley teacher told me that the kids today have no goals because everything is given to them; they have money (PFD), drugs, sex, all the toys that PFD can buy, and they don't have to pay room and board. Whatever happened to saving up for that 4wheeler? Not all the kids are slugs; there are many fine Valley grads, but his point is valid. What don't you understand about this problem? "

    jp to hybrid wrote on Sep 17, 2009 5:30 PM:

    " i concur, the PFD is a terrible thing................they should have cut off the allotment in 1982. After then, no one else would be eligible.
    in all actuality, the dividends from the oil should go to the rightful owners of Alaska, The Natives of Alaska!
    Truth be told, Alaska was not Russias to sell, and the money paid to russia never got there. it was "some Deal" i'm amazed Obama and Pelosi weren't responsible for that! "

    Independent wrote on Sep 17, 2009 5:27 PM:

    " Yes--last I heard an Alaskan can posses up to 1 ounce of pot on them, and have up to 4 ounces in their home; and, no more than 24 plants. The sale/distribution of marijuana's illegal.

    No other state in the union's allowed for such a high level of decriminalization of drugs.

    My understanding's Palin's openly admitted enjoying her share of the stuff. Obama's judged differently, of course--by hypocrites.

    If laws've changed, it doesn't alter the fact that an overwhelmingly Conservative, unwholesome, sad Alaska adds to its own drug problems.

    You can't rationally blame the Demcrats. "

    watcher wrote on Sep 17, 2009 4:46 PM:

    " (sigh) here we go again. OK folks, basic economics/civics/government;

    ALL states impose taxes on various forms of industry and then use that money how they see fit. Hawaii makes money from tourism, Washington has wheat, apples, tech, Florida has tourism and oranges etc etc. Alaska taxes its oil BUT...instead of using ALL of it how it sees fit, it gives a portion of it back to the citizens to spend how THEY see fit. EITHER way, state taxes are being collected and spent. So please, would the uneducated/ignorant please tell us how that amounts to a 'handout'? "

    Hybird wrote on Sep 17, 2009 3:11 PM:

    " to Sharpie:
    If you don't consider the PFD a "handout" and "welfare", then how come Alaska was a better place before the state started dishing out all the free bucks? I'll tell you why--because the PFD IS welfare and it has caused all the usual common side effects of non-specific welfare ( i.e., free money)--dependence on the system, degradation of morals and self respect, weakness of spirit, free loaders swarming in, etc. For 30 years, Alaska's children have been spoiled rotten by the PFD. Now look at the results. It's sickening. "

    Hybrid wrote on Sep 17, 2009 2:55 PM:

    " to JP:

    I'll say Alaska has a welfare problem--it's called the PFD! Alaska was a great place before all those free loading white trash bums arrived to turn the place into a living H---.
    And in spite of your wildest imaginings and for all your blusterings and hot air, it is certainly not the liberals who are the druggies and the welfare recipients. Drug users probably don't even vote.
    Get rid of the PFD and you get rid of most of the problems. Alaska used to be a great place. Not anymore. It's a tragedy. "

    Littlebird wrote on Sep 17, 2009 2:40 PM:

    " Marijuana is legal? Really? Tell you what...walk into your local police station smoking a joint and let me know how that works out for you. "

    jp to independent wrote on Sep 17, 2009 2:18 PM:

    " would you rather i said : all was good and the environment was intact, and all was as it should be, in harmony with mother earth, until the white man showed up?
    then you'll call me a racist.
    But it was OK that pelosi had illegal aliens on her vinyard, and the kennedy's had them as well, but they're all "OK" because they're Dems ?
    ah, go praise your illustrious demigods in congress. "

    oops wrote on Sep 17, 2009 2:03 PM:

    " Oh gosh darn...lack of education shining through again...the notion that marijuana is legal in Alaska. It isn't. An education is a wonderful thing... "

    sharpie wrote on Sep 17, 2009 2:00 PM:

    " Yes, Power Wagon...you "doofus"...assuming that somebody with a blog name of 'Chicago' is from, um, Chicago. (?) (if you haven't noticed yet, its the same old routine of one person blogging under different names so he can pretend he has friends or at least somebody that agrees with him.)

    Notice that the intellect confuses the PFD tax system with a 'handout' too. I guess it gets confusing when the government doesn't keep all the money they collect and choose how best to spend it for you. Not enough government in the equation, you see. "

    Independent wrote on Sep 17, 2009 1:47 PM:

    " In addition to Alaska's embarrassing drug problems, and reputation as a highly desired destination point for child molesters, the state has the nation's highest suicide rate--and one of the highest rates internationally.

    jp's desperate assertion that a bunch of liberals came up there and ruined it all is hysterically ludicrous.

    Marijuana was legalized in Alaska by a bunch of libertarians and Republicans--not Democrats.

    Such a sad, dark place, really. I feel badly for Alaska's Independents and Democrats. They must feel so outta step amid the unwholesome whackos. "

    Chicago to Power Tool wrote on Sep 17, 2009 1:18 PM:

    " My eyes aren't glazed over. In fact, I have crystal clear vision. I find it pathetic that you joke about drug and substance abuse when slamming someone. The thing that I can't figure though is how you are so anti-government, anti-tax, claim that liberals are Godless. (You on the other hand are the pictures of Christianity) but are the first ones with your hand out when you can get something for nothing. I wish BP or Shell Oil or whoever would give me some free cash. (oh, and Doofus, I'm not from Chicago)LOL "

    Power Wagon wrote on Sep 17, 2009 11:08 AM:

    " Alaska has one of the biggest drug & alcohol problems in the country PER PERCENTAGE! In other words, when there's 40 people in a village and 10 have an alcohol problem...? Want huge numbers, though...you have to go to the big lower-48 cities (like Chicago, for instance.)
    Now that we've had our fun changing the subject (whacko libbies have to do that. Facts aren't their strong suit)...LOVE the posts from "Independent"! You can almost see the glazed eyes and constant look of confusion! LOL "

    jp wrote on Sep 17, 2009 9:50 AM:

    " we have a huge drug problem up here, since the federal government stated that we have the second highest paid welfare in the country, it has attracted all kinds of liberal democrats up here for their free handouts. that way they can sit around, smoke their crack while they are getting free money from taxpayers. "

    Chicago wrote on Sep 16, 2009 5:29 PM:

    " The way that the locals continually refer to "taking your meds", "time to take your pills" etc. one would think that it's perhaps a common problem there. Maybe substance abuse is a hobby. It's probably why the US Dept. of Justice and the DEA lists Alaska as one of the biggest users of illegal drugs in the United States. (Not from me, look it up). If you need help with drugs, I'm sure there is a government program to help. Opps. Can't use government for anything, I forgot. Losers....... "

    Independent wrote on Sep 16, 2009 4:02 PM:

    " A quick history update for you: the Confederate flag brings Republicans to their knees while they render their souls to it, not Democrats. That it flies over southern states' capitals in Republican-dominated regions is overly telling of what the party has evolved into.

    I guess you totally missed my point that Lincoln would switch from Republican to Democrat were he alive today. So much for your reading and comprehension skills.

    Been living out in the country a long time? "

    say what wrote on Sep 16, 2009 3:28 PM:

    " "Game, set and match"?! What the heck is that? "I understand your small words"? Good lord, how funny! And people wonder why there's so little dialogue these days! Oh well...at least it's funny! "

    Independents buddy wrote on Sep 16, 2009 1:40 PM:

    " I also don't bother to read previous blogs to see exactly where Obama's socialist leanings are evident. (I'm also not smart enough to know or figure it out on my own anyway.) But what I CAN do is make stuff up like crazy comparisons to Confederate flags (The Confederate States were Democrat, by the way. And it was the REPUBLICAN party that fought for the elimination of slavery and segregation) I have no doubt that if Lincoln were alive today, he'd become a godless, big-government Democrat. I also believe he'd have laser-beam vision. Oops...time to take my pills "

    Chicago to Independent wrote on Sep 16, 2009 12:58 PM:

    " Point, Set, Match.
    Well said. "

    Independent wrote on Sep 16, 2009 2:25 AM:

    " The GOP's been hijacked by a bunch of racist, bible-thumping terrorists and screechy malcontents who--among so many issues--don't know how to behave in the Chamber, and who worship the Confederate flag over our Stars and Stripes.

    So busy accusing Obama of socialism--yet, no Republican has even identified to which of the dozens of forms of socialism Obama supposedly subscribes. Too lazy; too stupid.

    I've no doubt if Abraham Lincoln were alive today, he'd switch to the Democrat party. He died believing this country's white trash had been brought to heel.

    Tragic. "

    TG wrote on Sep 16, 2009 12:18 AM:

    " Bet a lot of these folks on here are related to Palin.. the looser! New people who read this must think all Alaskins's stink.. But that is not true. there are a lot of people in Alaska that are nothing like Palin... And Many of them Voted for Obama.. Yes many Alaskin's Voted for Obama... There are a lot of good people in Alaska.. so please don't judge them all buy the few that speak like Dummy's. "

    Suzy Q wrote on Sep 16, 2009 12:11 AM:

    " Another favorite that needs to be repeated!!!!!

    " Read back through this thread. What do you see? Those oppsoing Obama offer no alternatives, no original thoughts. They spout hate in language borrowed from their true leaders -- entertainers like Limbaugh and Beck. This is why the republican party is hollow and shallow and gasping for breath. Hatred is not an American or family value, and your words are hateful. I feel very sorry for anybody who thinks this way. You are to be pitied, and a little feared. What will yo do when your words don't get results? "

    Logic wrote on Sep 15, 2009 5:44 PM:

    " Your comments about Socialism are hollow. You don't even know what the true meaning of the word is. You are a fear mongering fool. The natural resources of the state of Alaska are owned by the state and the money gotten from those resources are used to run government and I'm sure those of you that live here have never given back that PFD check. You lost the election and now you fools are losing your minds! Seek help now! "

    jp wrote on Sep 15, 2009 5:31 PM:

    " i watched the AFL-CIO speech today, and all i can say is holy cow, he came straight out and said he was going to make us a socialist country whether we like it or not, the gall of this guy is unfathomable.
    it's time to move forward on removing him. "

    Palmer Farm wrote on Sep 15, 2009 4:57 PM:

    " Eh, I'm sure that after the Russians ushered Lenin into power, there were those stubborn people that were still squawking about how great he was even as they lost thier ability to own anything, etc.

    "Obama is great! Prophet Obama will fix all that ails us with massive over-spending!"....good lord... "

    Power Wagon wrote on Sep 15, 2009 3:08 PM:

    " More "love Obama or burn, shut up, leave" tripe I see. Wish I could be surprised, but that's been a liberal mainstay since the '60s. And why bother trying to have any discourse with the broken-records that think not liking socialism has anything to do with "prejudice"? You get more logic from talking to the wall. Ah well...at least they're good fodder for laughs when they're not all screechy and caught up in thier pseudo-intellectualism. "

    Hey Littlebird and jp from Dear Sharpie wrote on Sep 15, 2009 12:44 PM:

    " Littlebird -- Notice my invitation to find his ideal elsewhere only mirrored Sharpie's. And where's the name calling?

    jp -- huh?

    The rest of you blind Obama-bashers -- hatred will burn out your soul. Try to approach all things with love. Even if you have no love to give, the act of trying may create it. You might even try loving your country.

    Save your replies for the echo chamber of the AM radio. I won't be reading it. "

    Logic. wrote on Sep 15, 2009 10:11 AM:

    " Sour Grapes! You lost the White House, the Congress and the Senate. You folks are throwing one of the worst temper tantrums I ever seen following an election. Just remember kids are really good at seeing through parents. They see your prejudices and they have responded by voting for Barack Obama. Trying to stop the President from being allowed to speak to our kids only confirms what they already know about you So zip it! Change is happening whether you like it or not. "

    Littlebird wrote on Sep 15, 2009 8:45 AM:

    " Now that's classic liberal; name-calling and demands to "shut up", free-speech be darned. Probably another soul with a rather backwards, interesting version of what 'democracy' means. (Probably more in line with that type of democracy that North Korea professes to practice than what it means to us.) I also get a kick out of the plea to "leave the country" blah blah blather. I recently read a book about the muslim extremists that feel North America is the land promised to them in the Koran, just as soon as they wipe us out. Must be the same mentality. "

    jp to Hey Sharpie wrote on Sep 15, 2009 8:01 AM:

    " you really don't have a clue do you?
    Perhaps you should start with Sesame Street. "

    Dear Watcher wrote on Sep 15, 2009 7:34 AM:

    " In fact, it was the will of the people and popular vote that brought Obama to power. Not sure where you were a year ago. Sorry that facts are such bothersome things.

    As to the education barb, I suggest you investigate the well-established correlation between education level and placement on the political spectrum.

    Oh -- and to really make your point in the next post, you might try all caps, and inserting an exclamation point or two between every letter. I don't think your recent effort really sufficiently imparts conveys your personality or superior education. "

    watcher wrote on Sep 14, 2009 9:29 PM:

    " HA HA! The "to sharpie" intellectual giant is great! "There are many places where 'the will of the people' and 'popular vote' hold no sway"?! Yeah, YOU'RE LIVING IN ONE! Our President ISN'T elected by popular vote, genius! And it wasn't "the will of the people" that ended many social injustices that we take for granted today (i.e. women getting to vote!) Yeah, you're trying to have an America here all right! A SOUTH America, like Venezuela perhaps? And with this administration you're off to a good start!

    ...hooooh boy....go get an education and try again later! LOL! "

    Hey Sharpie wrote on Sep 14, 2009 8:10 PM:

    " I'm glad to hear you're admitting that you're against democracy. There are many places in the world where pesky things like "the will of the people" and "popular vote" hold no sway. Please go to one of them soon and never, ever come back. Take the rest of these intolerant wingnuts with you. We're trying to have an America here.

    And bravo for your anti-government stand. I assume you'll be rejecting your PFD then? Refusing to drive on roads? Declining police protection when the time comes? No? Then shut up. "

    sharpie wrote on Sep 14, 2009 7:25 PM:

    " No real interest in dialogue with 'em either. It's like trying to have a philosophy discussion with a lemming. Only the lemming has more common sense. If this is the type of government they wanted, why on Earth did they have to vote it in here? There are several other countries spread all over the globe where they evidently would have been delighted to live in and experience the joy of government-run everything. "

    jp wrote on Sep 14, 2009 7:22 PM:

    " it's all about partisan politics, Get rid of both parties, or all of them, and put it straight to.............
    One person, One Vote!

    and about all the healthcare hooey, put it to the voters on the basis of ; one person, one vote !

    if you pick on a christian, that's ok, but you had never better pick on a muslim, that's intolerable!!!

    got to love the double standards!
    that's why I pick on both groups with equal lattitude! ........they're all sheep! "

    Lisnup wrote on Sep 14, 2009 4:22 PM:

    " jp wrote " i played his speech backwards, and it said that it was the will of Allah to strike down all the infidels, by training their own children to turn on their own parents and teachers. praise be to Allah.

    Only a nut job like yourself would have time to play your sick humor to appease your agenda, Yah we know you're trying be funny, do you get tickled at yourself winking in the mirror talking Allah and Obama in the same sentence? Don't forget to watch FOX News before you go to bed "

    Palmer Farm wrote on Sep 14, 2009 4:22 PM:

    " Put me down, for one, that has "no real interest in dialogue" with totalitarian socialist government representatives. It comes with not falling asleep in History class. Maybe borrow one of your kids' history books and educate yourself. "Glenn, Rush" blah blah blah....never watched 'em. It's nice to have the ability to read the AP and not be a glassy-eyed sheep. My apologies. "

    jp wrote on Sep 14, 2009 2:32 PM:

    " i played his speech backwards, and it said that it was the will of Allah to strike down all the infidels, by training their own children to turn on their own parents and teachers. praise be to Allah.

    you didn't hear that?


    lol "

    To Take Longer... wrote on Sep 14, 2009 1:28 PM:

    " You are so very, very misinformed. Try getting your news from somebody (ANYBODY!) but Rush and Glenn.

    The guide DID accompany it. They changed one little sentence in the lesson plan in an ill-advised attempt to appease nut-jobs like yourself. I would have left it as it was because only those most intent on willful ignorance could have seen it as anything but positive and appropriate. They tried to address the concerns expressed, and got even more grief for it. Hopefully they've learned that your kind has no desire for real dialogue. "

    to take an hour wrote on Sep 14, 2009 12:51 PM:

    " Gosh. Thanks for your wisdom. And here we were thinking that nationalization of banks, private industry, health care and "distribution of the wealth" were hallmarks of socialism. Glad you cleared that up. An embarrassment to America? Oh, you mean this NEW America (sorry, I like the original one better. Tis why I moved to Alaska where, I'm sure, Che loving dittoheads like yourself aren't comfortable anywhere else but in Anchorage or Juneau. "

    Logic. wrote on Sep 14, 2009 10:06 AM:

    " WOW! You Obama haters are paranoid schizophrenic cave dwellers. You and those FIX News talking heads can't point to any factual proof that Mr President was trying in anyway shape or form, to brainwash your children. It's just the opposite, you are the ones doing the brainwashing. I'll be praying for your children but you parent wackos are on your own. "

    take longer than a second wrote on Sep 14, 2009 9:40 AM:

    " RE: Logic
    CORRECT! I was responding to somebody ELSE in here, not your blog! Now what was it you were saying about "babbling"? Ouch, huh? That's called 'irony'! Bitter, isn't it? But as far as Komrade Chairman's little speech...it went much better without the initially-planned accompanying brainwashing guide they wanted to send along with it, didn't it? "

    Uncle Jed wrote on Sep 14, 2009 4:17 AM:

    " My younguns don't need some fancy Muslim community organizer talkin to them. I'm fixin to home school them. "

    Logic. wrote on Sep 13, 2009 11:13 PM:

    " In response to "Take longer than a second"
    You need to take your own advise, read the news story first. Then post a comment. You are babbling on about some other news story you've read somewhere at some other time. All that babble you just spewed had nothing absolutely nothing to do with The Presidents Stay In School Speech. But hey it ain't personnel. Hello Dolly. "

    Take an hour -- whatever you need wrote on Sep 13, 2009 9:50 PM:

    " I give up. You have not a single logical bone in your body, and it demeans and hurts me to ponder, however briefly, the dark place that is your brain.

    Please look up socialism so you can use the word properly in the future. Please try to think in some way that doesn't demand exclamation marks. Please consider a return to reason untainted by abject fear or closet racism.

    You are an embarassment to America and Alaska. "

    to Logic-less wrote on Sep 13, 2009 9:38 PM:

    " As has been said....MANY TIMES OVER...there is and has never been a problem with ANY President telling kids to stay in school. Let's try to get it through to you again; THIS President initially planned on sending out cute little "I love Obama" accompanying packets courtesy of the US Dept of Education until it brought justified condemnation and he had to toe the line. So, Mr./Mrs. "Logic", do you understand yet? Or are the words too big? "

    Take longer than a second wrote on Sep 13, 2009 7:03 PM:

    " Must be selective reading/comprehension. Alternatives to socialism? Alternatives to the government, of all entities, over-seeing my health care? You sound just like the current liberals-in-charge running around saying the same thing while others have offered SEVERAL solutions for healthcare reform that make FAR better sense! But that doesn't work towards the overall, all-inclusive big government plan now, does it? No alternatives indeed! Either you've swallowed the "it's either this or that" nonsense the hacks in Congress and Obama are pushing or you honestly have some thick earplugs and blinders on! "

    Logic. wrote on Sep 13, 2009 6:48 PM:

    " And I quote "Stop using that RACE CARD GARBAGE" Well well, hit a nerve? Then please truthfully tell me what was wrong with the President of The United States of America telling today's youth to stay in school. Strive to be the best you can be. It may take some time to figure out what it is you are good at but stick with it and hard work is the key to your success. If you have a problem with that message then you just plain have problems. Hello Dolly! "

    and for the big finish... wrote on Sep 13, 2009 4:33 PM:

    " ..and just when you thought he couldn't possibly be any more dense, "Lisnup" comes back for an encore! Yes indeed folks, if you don't like his dishonesty or socialism its because you're "prejudice"! (This is thier favorite retort when they have nothing!)

    As far as "oh gee, where would we get the money?" I guess the PROVEN method of letting the citizens keep thier money to increase spending is baffling to sheep! Nope! Better for the government to spend what it has and DOESN'T have on kayak trips, grape research, Cash for Clunkers (Japan thanks you!) etc! HA! "

    toLogic wrote on Sep 13, 2009 11:44 AM:

    " Stop using that RACE CARD GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!!! It has really gotten old. Most judge Obama on his policies,not his race. I am white and supported the black conservative Alan Keyes against the white globalist Bush in 2000. If Obama had been a conservative I would have gladly supported him against that dweeb McCain. It is the true race baiters such as yourself that are causing the polarization of America. So stop whining,stand up straight and understand BHO is being judged NOT BY HIS RACE BUT BY HIS POLICIES and by his appointees. Liberalism is a mental disorder or worse a cancer. "

    Take a Second wrote on Sep 13, 2009 9:26 AM:

    " Read back through this thread. What do you see? Those oppsoing Obama offer no alternatives, no original thoughts. They spout hate in language borrowed from their true leaders -- entertainers like Limbaugh and Beck. This is why the republican party is hollow and shallow and gasping for breath. Hatred is not an American or family value, and your words are hateful. I feel very sorry for anybody who thinks this way. You are to be pitied, and a little feared. What will yo do when your words don't get results? "

    Oops wrote on Sep 13, 2009 7:11 AM:

    " I think the here's your sign is "Republicans are desperate, they have no leadership, no vision, no answers. It's so easy to point fingers and accuse, let's see the Republicans stop their fear mongering and show us what they can do, you aren't getting votes hollering, protesting and smearing, there's no progress just hate and fear.
    So who are Republicans looking up to? who can they trust? If you eliminate the adulterers, liars and cheats well, we're waiting., show me the money!!! Much is prejudice, fear Obama will succeed without their imput. "

    Lisnup wrote on Sep 13, 2009 5:20 AM:

    " Thank you and you're welcome..........and if Bush was still in control where would he have pulled money from? illegals? Mexican Cartel? Oh wait maybe Cheney still has Haliburton to lean on, they'd of stepped up and helped Bushwacker!

    You're so prejudice it's sickening. Pray your insurance company doesn't drop you and you become ill. "

    Tim from lower 48 wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:41 PM:

    " ! (Here's your sign!) " People who didn't say squat when bush was in office !!! and now lets blame the guy who will have to decide on how this mess is to be cleaned up. "

    and thank you... wrote on Sep 12, 2009 7:38 PM:

    " A big round of applause to Lisnup for demonstrating the unfathomable depths of ignorance, lack of education or understanding and utter gullibility in that last post. Especially the part about "Bush spending" being what brought on the current financial crisis instead of oh, say..easing of lending regulations by Congress and all the OTHER reasons every sane economist will tell you! But the REAL knee-slapper was the totally nutty bit justifying the trillion-dollar deficit spending currently underway! (Here's your sign!) "

    Lisnup wrote on Sep 12, 2009 6:43 PM:

    " Let shave the Democrat's head to Texas and start protesting Bush the warmonger. Bush ruined America, brought her to her knees and bailed. I truly believe Bush knew exactly what a financial crisis Obama would face. Bush needs to be accountable, his spending doomed our banks, industry, mortgage companies. Bush ran up credit we didn't have, now Americans have to pay. Do you honestly think if we kicked all Americans out of their homes, failed the vehicle industry and didn't help the banks that we would be solvent? The world would call our markers "

    to Dim American wrote on Sep 12, 2009 2:35 PM:

    " Republicans are "dying off" eh? Ha. Heard that before during Clinton's first term. How'd that work out? Partisan knuckleheads like you just don't get it; neither party holds a monopoly on dishonesty, corruption or arrogance. "No answers, no solutions" you say (psst! those mean the same thing, silly!) And trillion-dollar over-spending on pork and warm, fuzzy social programs IS a solution? Get real! A Democrat President and a Republican Congress seems to be the closest thing we can get to a halfway decent government. When one side holds it all, ESPECIALLY liberals, history proves what the results are. "

    Great American wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:55 AM:

    " Republicans are dying off. And that's a good thing. The party of no ideas, no solutions, no answers, will transform into something, but it will never be the party it so desperately claims to be. "

    Proud Amerikan wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:45 AM:

    " Shameful is the gullible lemming that blindly swallows the bunk that anyone calling Obama out for what he is must be "hateful"

    (oh, by the way,...it's spelled "destruction")

    TTOSBT: The "lies" of the past years made you a Democrat? So what do the current lies make you? A socialist or just naive? "

    Logic. wrote on Sep 12, 2009 10:12 AM:

    " It's pointless to argue with a racist. All they see is skin color. No logic or amount of facts are going to change a racists mind. Why, because the mind is blinded by race/color. Those screaming the loudest about allowing the President of the United of America giving our kids a stay in school pep talk aren't good parents. With all the reality crap that's on TV these days what are you wing nuts mad about? Well I'm glad to see all of you racist are finally coming out of the closet. Hello Dolly! "

    2bornot2b wrote on Sep 12, 2009 9:26 AM:

    " Still waiting for the Republicans to come up with THEIR idea of how to fix America! They are so bent on stirring hate and discord and tearing down America and Obama that they've lost any leadership or vision. Where are the Republican leaders, your path to recovery, your plan for healthcare, stop spewing hate! Rush, OReilly, Beck, Palin, Edwards, Sanford, Wilson what a bumbling bunch of losers. Obama doesn't play school ground politics, no bully's no push and shove and name calling. Stop the hate and find solutions. "

    Proud American wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:23 AM:

    " There are people that still can't accept the fact that their guy lost the election. Get over it! Your Guy lost!!!!!!!
    I would be proud for any president of the United states to speak to our kids and encourage out kids to stay in school!
    Shameful is the heart fill with hate- shameful is those bent on distruction-Shameful are those who lie!! "

    America anyone wrote on Sep 11, 2009 10:08 PM:

    " I want everything for me and mine, nothing for anybody else and whoever says otherwise is a -Commie, Liberal, racist, bigot, Acorn, Teabagger, whatever. I don't listen to any politicians of any kind, they all lie. I don't drive on public roads, go to gov't schools or serve in our mercenary military, give money to phony churches, or help other people along the road. I don't care what others think cause I know I'm right. When others speak, I yell at them cause I know I'm right. I am an American. I'm Right! "

    danb wrote on Sep 11, 2009 9:47 PM:

    " To JP...your latest message..."presidents" means more than one....I think you meant it with an apostrophe. "

    TTOSBT wrote on Sep 11, 2009 8:14 PM:

    " I believe Barak Obama is the best thing that has happened to my beloved USA in a long time. He is the first President in years that held out hope for changes long needed and that I actually wanted to see elected. Politics is so full of BS, but the outright lies of the previous 8 years made a me a full-fledged Democrat. It is my hope he will succeed in advancing Health Care reform and many other reforms this country needs. The demolition of our middle class by the graft and corruption of big corporations and institutions must cease. "

    Palmer Farm wrote on Sep 11, 2009 5:01 PM:

    " WOW! There are STILL freaks out there hollering that stupidity about Bush "stealing" the election when he didn't get the popular vote?! Liberals are so predictable! They conveniently forget that Bubba didn't get it either...and they didn't mind then! HA! But the icing on the cake is that old worn-out "wars based on lies, spied on citizens" blah blah blah....sounds like a neo-hippy Berkely protest rally or some such comedy! "

    to great american wrote on Sep 11, 2009 4:25 PM:

    " Please don't get the idea Bush was a conservative. He was a globalist above all else. He did take away rights ,supported illegal immigration, deficit spending and engulfed us in two no win wars. A "neo-con" perhaps but he was no conservative. Now we have Mein Obama who is just your"facist" Bush on steroids. Mein Obama openly calls for a "transformation" of our entire political and social structure and has a cadre of radicals to wage a war on American cultural and religious foundations. You don't have to listen to me but need only study the words of the Obamanistas. "

    OReally wrote on Sep 11, 2009 3:54 PM:

    " Bet every playground bully's parents are Republicans -whining, pointing fingers and calling names. Wahhhhhhh We are not intimidated. "

    to observer wrote on Sep 11, 2009 1:48 PM:

    " You hit the nail on the head. Liberals love to screech 'free speech' so long as you agree with them. Otherwise, they have all kinds of fun names to call you or they shout you down so you can't be heard. The funny thing is,...it never occurs to them that they're hypocrites. "

    great american wrote on Sep 11, 2009 12:59 PM:

    " Conservatives are coming out of the woodworks these days talking about free speech, the constitution, etc. etc.; yet when Bush stole the election, started a war in Iraq based on lies, spied on US citizens phone calls, suspended a US citizens right to trial, politicized the justice department, bailed out banks by the billions, and never admitted any mistakes, you guys were no where to be found. After 8 years of fascist tyranny all the sudden you guys pretend to care about the country again. Where were you from 2001 - 2008 when our president was lying? "

    jp wrote on Sep 11, 2009 12:16 PM:

    " the 2 Acorn people who were "fired" are a accurate reflection of who and what our presidents administration is all about.
    Cheat the working class, and give all the criminals a pass!!!! "

    Observer to the libs wrote on Sep 11, 2009 11:16 AM:

    " Say what you want because you have that First Amendment Right.. So do I, that is what really angers those of your ilk. You bully and intimidate, cry racism or do whatever is necessary to press your agenda. You hold the Saul Alinsky/Obama/Acorn crowd in high regard and brow beat those disagree. Actually, my teens have their own thoughts and think BHO is a pretty poor specimen without my input. I do not approve of any President piping their message into the schools. Just think of me as a "Community Organizer". You know they are good people. "

    lauras pal wrote on Sep 11, 2009 8:51 AM:

    " Boy logical people sure are vindictive idiots! Thank god I'm not one! "

    OReally wrote on Sep 11, 2009 5:47 AM:

    " Observer wrote on Sep 10, 2009 6:25 AM:
    " I do not consider Barack Hussein Obama a good role model for my kids and do not intend to have my kids exposed to him in the public schools. That is the way it is no if ands or buts. Do I make myself clear to all you foggy minded liberal/socialists? "

    We see your ignorance clearly, you have the same bullying tactics as the ole Ex-Quitter, too bad. "

    laura wrote on Sep 10, 2009 9:52 PM:

    " Boy, Republicans are vindictive idiots! Thank God Im not one! "

    just call me socialist wrote on Sep 10, 2009 9:11 PM:

    " Talk about hypocracy. Just read that the Arlington, Texas School District boycotted Obama's televised speech but (next week) will bus students to Texas Stadium to hear W talk. Huh? "

    Dear OReally wrote on Sep 10, 2009 1:40 PM:

    " Sorry, but the proof that was RELEASED BY THE WHITE HOUSE is that they reworded one of the lesson plan questions. I never doubted that. My question regarded the assertion that Obama changed the speech. I've seen no evidence of that, have you?

    My second question was about the lesson plan, but only wondering what, specifically, was being objected to. I've read it, and found it pretty innocuous.

    It's hard not respond to your incivility, but I'm not going to. Perhaps if I raise my half of this discourse, others will follow. "

    To Observer wrote on Sep 10, 2009 9:51 AM:

    " Would you please be more specific about what makes him a poor role model? Is it just his ideas? I'm guessing they are exposed every single day to people with whom you fundamentallly disagree. How do you stop that? I would respectfully suggest that perhaps teaching them to think independently by weighing evidence (yes, by being "exposed to it") and applying their family and community values to it would be a better tactic than "ostriching."

    If it's the man himself, please explain that too. "

    OReally wrote on Sep 10, 2009 8:51 AM:

    " Observer - do you know where your children are? what they watch? who they listen to? Is their teacher(s) Republican or Democrat? how about teachers of music, gym, coach, principle, bus driver righttttt! you're totally taking a stand when you don't allow your child to hear the president speak and yet your have no control over the daily influences. You better brush up on your 3 R's and educate your own......and if you do, you better get it right next we'll require testing of parents who home school! Oh did I say that? "

    sharpie wrote on Sep 10, 2009 8:23 AM:

    " RE: OK I"ll bite;
    I'll beat Littlebird to the punch on that one, since this is just to easy. What more 'proof' do you need beyond what was released to the press last week? I'll say again; what more proof do you need beyond what was RELEASED BY THE WHITE HOUSE to the press last week?! Good God man, if you're not going to follow along or even pay attention to what's happening then butt out and don't make such a fool out of yourself so publicly!!! "

    Observer wrote on Sep 10, 2009 6:25 AM:

    " I do not consider Barack Hussein Obama a good role model for my kids and do not intend to have my kids exposed to him in the public schools. That is the way it is no if ands or buts. Do I make myself clear to all you foggy minded liberal/socialists? "

    O.K. Ill Bite wrote on Sep 10, 2009 12:16 AM:

    " Littlebird, please point me exactly to the proof you have that the president changed his speech in response to the criticism. Also, please explain exactly what it was in the lesson plans to which you objected. "

    2bornot2b wrote on Sep 9, 2009 7:20 PM:

    " Keep your Death Panel queenie she'll take care of ya if you get sick, ya just have to find her! "

    jp to 2bornot2b wrote on Sep 9, 2009 4:17 PM:

    " i was recording his speech to cut it up for amusing snipets for the radio, he certainly made it easy for me.
    i hardly even have to cut/paste any of it!
    the nations morning radio shows have enough quality content of that one speech for the remaining 3.25 years of his administration! "

    Littlebird wrote on Sep 9, 2009 4:10 PM:

    " "Absence of proof?" Oh, OK. So I guess the proposed lesson plans that were printed and reported were all "imaginary", right? A (snicker) 'right-wing' conspiracy that was never really true, right? Oh, wait! I know! The Republican Party hacked into the airwaves and used CGI-composite technology to create the illusion of a printed proposal and press releases, right?! LMAO!! "

    2bornot2b wrote on Sep 9, 2009 3:25 PM:

    " jp - you would laugh he didn't expect all to comprehend.. "

    Watchee wrote on Sep 9, 2009 1:52 PM:

    " I suggested that you shouldn't point to the lesson because that's not the common charge I'm hearing. I'm hearing the unsupported charge that Obama changed what he was going to say. There is no evidence that this is true. My exaggerated speech pattern was merely meant for emphasis. Sorry if my rhetorical style offends.

    It's understandable that in the absence of proof you must attack me. However if this nation is ever to return to greatness, it will be on the basis of rational, open discourse. Try it. You might like it. "

    watcher wrote on Sep 9, 2009 12:49 PM:

    " Interesting blog. Let me try that...I'll type "just one" about a million times with little in between. What amazing intellectual prowess. But my favorite part is the "don't point to the lesson plan" part. Why not? It didn't count? "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"? So I guess if our kids get all kinds of fun "Why Obama is great" crap courtesy of the US Dept of Education it 'doesn't count'?! Geez...no wonder there's just no getting through to some people! "

    jp wrote on Sep 9, 2009 12:42 PM:

    " i loved the part of his speech where he said, and i quote
    " you could be a doctor, a lawyer, a wall street banker, but that's probably not going to happen, because you're stupid"
    i laughed me self aboot oot of air!!!!!

    perhaps the most honest speech he's made to date! "

    Just One wrote on Sep 9, 2009 11:11 AM:

    " Please offer just one small scrap of evidence that an alternative speech existed before the complaints. Just one. And please don't point to the lesson plan -- just the speech. One small scrap. Any scrap of real evidence. Any one. Really anybody at all with even the smallest smidge of proof that Obama had anything planned other than what he gave. Anything. At all. Really. "

    wrong wrote on Sep 9, 2009 8:08 AM:

    " How old is Katie? 17? Some of us are old enough to remember quite well that Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan etc etc never had propoganda-laced brainwashing activities accompany thier speeches to children. Try again. (Of course, Obama didn't either....AFTER he was called on it and had to do some last-minute 'oops' changes!) "

    Katie wrote on Sep 9, 2009 4:55 AM:

    " Hypocrisy is rampant on both sides of the aisle, there are plenty of examples. BTW - two other presidents spoke directly to the kids - Reagan, who also talked about his tax philosophy, and Bush, who basically said the same thing Obama said : do well, stay in school, study hard, be somebody. You get a C- on your homework. The rest you claim was in the speech was not, it was part of a lesson plan which the WH suggested. Back when Bush gave his speech, my sons' school used a plan with similar questions. "

    Tim from lower 48 wrote on Sep 9, 2009 1:50 AM:

    " The speech was give and it was good- there were many reports from the mouths of students and teachers around the country that they enjoyed the President Obama's speech and felt very inspired! I am very happy to see that there are parents that have respect for our president and teach there children to have respect too...... "

    Big Lake 13 wrote on Sep 8, 2009 11:36 PM:

    " It was not the speech people objected to. I believe it was the lesson book for teachers to follow that caused the uproar.

    Former President Bush 1 also gave a speech. The next day it made front-page news, caused an investigation to spending tax dollars in lean times, using children and political power. The content of their speeches were pretty much the same. The difference is Democrat President or Republican President. Did Former President Bush 1 also publish a lesson book for teachers? What was the total cost for each of? "

    Please Again wrote on Sep 8, 2009 6:07 PM:

    " O.K., maybe the Salt Lake connection is a little much, even if this does smell a little like the same coordinated idiocy that sunk Prop 8 in California. But, you're right. By that statement, I took a small step toward the hysterical conspiracy mongering born of abject fear that I was criticizing. I apologize.

    "Power Wagon": more plainly for you: when our enemies see that we will attack our President for political spite, they respect us less and grow bold. We lose stature and stature is strength. "

    Palmer Farm wrote on Sep 8, 2009 3:01 PM:

    " What in the heck are "Beck/Salt Lake" goggles? Is that some slur against Mormons? I'm not a Mormon and frankly I don't see any wording anywhere that would lead anybody of sane mind to that conclusion. Oh wait, I think I see the problem right there.... "

    watcher wrote on Sep 8, 2009 2:43 PM:

    " Dear Palmer Farm wrote on Sep 8, 2009 11:04 AM:" I didn't say that questioning Obama strengthens our enemies. Rather, I said that the pitiful display of ignorance (typified by your silly screed, and predicted in my message) presents a weakened America to the rest of the world. Your inability to read my message through anything but your Beck/Salt Lake goggles proves my point.

    I like the 'predicted in my message' part. Like a Crazy 8-ball or something. But it's the rest of this goofy blathering that proves everybody else's point. LOL "

    to Katie wrote on Sep 8, 2009 2:25 PM:

    " No, not "conservative hypocrisy" (that's a liberal hallmark anyway). EVERY President has justifiably used his position to give the message regarding staying in school. Obama is the first President that had to drastically re-word his speech after people complained about all the "how has President Obama inspired me" and "I support President Obama" garbage leaked. Maybe before you try to draw parallels, you do a little homework first. "

    Power Wagon wrote on Sep 8, 2009 2:07 PM:

    " Please wrote:"Every utterance by you who oppose the duly-elected President of America making a statement of encouragment to American students makes me feel sick and sad. I don't care how you feel about the man. Respect the office and this nation. Your ignorance strengthens our nation's enemies."

    Then turns around and says " I didn't say that questioning Obama strengthens our enemies."

    Huh. O-kay.... (?) "

    Katie wrote on Sep 8, 2009 11:37 AM:

    " I remember the same concerns when Bush wanted to speak to the school kids. The opposition died out with little fanfare, the kids listened (or not) with little outcome. Now the shoe is on the other foot, and the opposition is much more opposed and much more organized about it. (Ooh - Conservative Hypocrisy?) So a president wants to tell kids to stay in school. The fear and hatred used in the opposition of this sort of thing is where the indoctrination and subliminal messaging comes into play. "

    Dear Palmer Farm wrote on Sep 8, 2009 11:04 AM:

    " I didn't say that questioning Obama strengthens our enemies. Question away -- lord knows I do all the time!

    Rather, I said that the pitiful display of ignorance (typified by your silly screed, and predicted in my message) presents a weakened America to the rest of the world.

    Your inability to read my message through anything but your Beck/Salt Lake goggles proves my point. "

    Jim from Boston wrote on Sep 8, 2009 10:37 AM:

    " Study hard and graduate, you need a strong education.

    I have to thank the right wing for alerting us to this insidious message. Absolutely the LAST thing I want being said in our public schools.

    What's the right afraid of? Kids are going to get subliminal messages to volunteer with A.C.O.R.N. as FEMA camp guards? "

    Palmer Farm wrote on Sep 8, 2009 9:36 AM:

    " RE: blog from "Please"
    Yes, how dare anybody question our glorious leader! The ignorance of Americans to question authority or the Supreme Leader! It only strengthens our enemies when we question our leaders!

    What country are you from? You sound like a member of the former Soviet Union Communist Party! Whatever happened to all the "Dissent is Patriotic" stickers liberals were pasting all over thier cars during the last administration? That changes now that Comrade Obama is in power? Seems to me that NOT questioning what our government is doing strengthens our enemies. "

    MAXKATT from NY wrote on Sep 8, 2009 6:41 AM:

    " I think students can carve one hour, out of one day, to hear a message directly from the President to them without it ruining their education. The truants may need to hear the message more, but I think it can only help for those in school to feel valued enough for the Prez to open a dialog wih them. "

    Karin wrote on Sep 8, 2009 4:57 AM:

    " GAG ME, I have a few of your kind thumping the constitution here in North Georgia and every other word out of them is We the people. Where were you while George W was shredding the constitution for 8 years.
    Our kids are not stupid, they are going to figure out that the American Dream came to end at the turn of the century and they will know that the lies in the media don't add up. They will also know who is trying to keep them dumb and poor. Not Obama. "

    Shameful wrote on Sep 7, 2009 8:01 PM:

    " The fact that people are actually talking about this demonstrates how pathetic the average American citizen has become. "

    Please wrote on Sep 7, 2009 7:38 PM:

    " Every utterance by you who oppose the duly-elected President of America making a statement of encouragment to American students makes me feel sick and sad. I don't care how you feel about the man. Respect the office and this nation. Your ignorance strengthens our nation's enemies.

    Now, you respond by labeling me.

    Ready, set, GO on with your illogical attacks. In the end, hopefully soon, reasonable discourse will retake the initiative in this country, and your hysterical, fearful voices will, mercifully, fade away. "

    GAG ME wrote on Sep 7, 2009 5:14 PM:

    " "Karin" what the heck are you talking about? Im sorry that quoting the constitution scares you. I'm sorry that i feel that our country is a place where "we the people" give you the government permission to govern us. Im sorry that I dont just bow my knee Mr O'Stalin, Im sorry I dont think this president even cares about you or this country, he cares about one thing advancing the left wing idea that, "We the people" dont know what is best for ourselves. so GAG ME!! "

    Americans for an Educated Public wrote on Sep 7, 2009 3:31 PM:

    " Fear and Ignorance run hand in hand. Fear takes over when people have no faith. "

    TTOSBT wrote on Sep 7, 2009 3:10 PM:

    " When I was a kid, "free thinkers" were bohemians and or beatniks. Later they were hippies. It is Interesting that some die hard conservatives commenting here are attempting to take up their mantle. There is no "free thinking" without thoughtful dialog and discussion. The ranting that some are claim is "free thinking" is a ruse. "

    Karin wrote on Sep 7, 2009 2:32 PM:

    " GAG ME - you are a lying sack of bones. We the people is code for Viper Militia and that treasonous Ernest Hancock. There is no room in this country for your kind. "

    to hypocrasy reigns wrote on Sep 7, 2009 12:37 PM:

    " (It's spelled "hypocrisy" FYI)
    That's funny. Too bad hypocrisy is a hallmark of liberalism. I especially like the part about "there's no reason to oppose the President" part. You can almost see the big red star behind a sentiment like that. Thank God there's still free-thinking Americans that object to the part about the initial intended speech with all that "why I love Obama" brainwashing crap! "Opposition for opposition sake" indeed. People like you that are easily blinded to the reality of the situation are why we're in this mess. "

    point of view wrote on Sep 7, 2009 9:49 AM:

    " I don't mind the students being able to listen to the speech; however, I am opposed to the lesson plan that went with it. Listen to the speech but NO comments pro or CON should be allowed. Let parerts talk over the speech. Don't spoon feed the kids on 'what the teacher believes'. "

    Hypocrasy Reigns wrote on Sep 7, 2009 7:42 AM:

    " There is no reason to oppose the President of the United States speaking to students about the value of education. Whether you agree with his ideology or not, he is an impressive person and can serve to inspire young people. This message is not harmful and those who rant about it send more of a message that they will object to anything and everything that this man does regardless of what it is. Debate on policies is important, but opposition for just opposition sake is not helpful. "

    GAG ME wrote on Sep 6, 2009 10:58 PM:

    " I dont know if any of you watched the whole I pledge video put out by Oprah, but my goodness please watch it, see what is starting to be shown to our kids, a 4 min video where 3 min 50 seconds are very well done and inspiring. But its those 10 seconds that really stick out, I pledge to advance stem cell research? I pledge allegance to barack obama? Lets all pledge to be a servent to our president and all mankind?!? GAG ME! when did it change from WE THE PEOPLE to you the president????? "

    to TTOSBT wrote on Sep 6, 2009 8:08 PM:

    " Respect is earned, not given. As long as Obama continues to aggressively advance his socialist agenda to nationalize private industry, banks and healthcare; continues to break every promise he made; continues to break this country's back with his record-breaking deficits.....he shall get little respect from free-thinking Americans. "

    TTOSBT wrote on Sep 6, 2009 7:06 PM:

    " President Obama deserves respect for the office he holds and his willingness to actively engage children about the importance of education and staying in school. It is so much easier to get people to group-think when little information is available and independent research is discouraged. "

    watcher wrote on Sep 6, 2009 12:52 PM:

    " Weeks and weeks of people complaining that Obama's healthcare proposal is "fuzzy" and "unclear", yet he insists on jamming it through as quickly as possible. Proof that it will increase the already staggering deficit that he created. Biden getting caught lying through his teeth regarding almost everything he said in his speech about how "successful" the stimulus spending was. Cash for Clunkers helping nobody but the Japanese. Now he reverses course on his original speech that had not-so-subtle brainwashing aimed the children. Yet, there are still those that refuse to admit they were suckered in voting for him. "

    Steve wrote on Sep 6, 2009 10:34 AM:

    " I welcome any President regardless of party to encourage students to set educational goals and work hard towards them. A few minutes of school time for the President to address the importance of education is well worth it. "

    Littlebird wrote on Sep 6, 2009 9:53 AM:

    " Comparing the President using his position to preach to the nation's children to Hitler is not off-base. The same comparison could appropriately be made to Lenin, Chairman Mao, Kim Jung Ill, Hugo Chavez etc etc or any other government that would brainwash schoolchildren. It doesn't mean you compare Obama to all the other horrible things these men did. Only a fool would try to compare Hitler's atrocities to Obama, for instance. But in the realm of bypassing the parents to push an agenda on impressionable children, I think the comparison is fair. "How has President Obama inspired me?" Rubbish! "

    Dennis wrote on Sep 6, 2009 6:52 AM:

    " No one trusts the President. Well, I guess you do from the article you wrote. He is trying to get people's mind off the real issue of healh care reform so he can sneak it in through the back door against the vast majority who are saying NO. You can see the diversion by what Rober Gibbs said by calling it all SILLY. How can he just shrug off what the American people are saying all across the country as just being silly. That is despicable.
    Wait til the issue is over then address the kids. "

    Dennis wrote on Sep 6, 2009 6:33 AM:

    " You think maybe that no one trusts the President. Even the ones who voted for him are saying oops.Sorry. It might be he just wants to divert peoples mind from the health care reform junk he is trying to ram down our throats. It's clear no one wants his kind of healthcare.I think he should wait to speak to the kids so it doesn't look like an end run around the true issue that is on the board. "

    great minds think alike wrote on Sep 5, 2009 11:41 PM:

    " Lots of good ideas in this article. How about next time the President wants to speak about something, why don't the Frontiersman editorial board send him some speaking points and suggestions to help him reach Valley folks. He don't know that we don't like outsiders telling our kids anything especially since we think he isn't an American cause he wasn't born here, he is a Muslim-just look at his name, he hangs out with communists and he probably is a negro. "

    no fear wrote on Sep 5, 2009 10:49 PM:

    " I have no fear that a few minutes of listening to the President or any one person talk will impact my children in the short or long run. I don't know why people think that a few minutes of a lecture could make their children scarred for life. Is any one person that powerful? No, so quit making it seem so. P.S. I am a republican. "

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