Sales tax vote too close to call

BY ANDREW WELLNER
Frontiersman
Published on Monday, October 5, 2009 10:15 AM AKDT

MAT-SU — Among the ballot propositions on this month’s borough election, none seems to be generating heat as much as the sales tax.

    Borough Assembly Members Cindy Bettine and Pete Houston sponsored the sales tax measure and the full assembly voted to put it on the ballot at a meeting in July. Later, the assembly overrode Mayor Talis Colberg’s veto.

    In a nutshell the tax measure does three things:

First, it enacts a borough-wide sales tax of 3 percent. People in unincorporated areas of the borough will pay a flat 3 percent. Shoppers in the cities of Houston, Palmer and Wasilla will pay 5, 6 and 5.5 respectively since those cities also have sales taxes.

Second, it caps property taxes at 7.3 mills, which is a reduction from its current rate of 9.98 mills. A mill is equal to $100 for every $100,000 of assessed value.

Third, it exempts the first $20,000 of a home’s value. That means a $200,000 home would be taxed as a $180,000 home.

Proponents and opponents of the measure agree on those three things. But they disagree on most everything else.

There’s the question of tax savings.

According to a borough-generated list of frequently asked questions, the owner of an average home — one worth $209,000, according to the borough — would save $706 in property taxes if the ordinance passes. The borough says that to cover that $706 in sales taxes a person would have to spend $23,533 on taxable goods and services.

Frank Bettine — no relation to Cindy Bettine — is the treasurer for CPG – Ballot Initiative Group, an offshoot of the Conservative Patriots Group that helped organize the series of Tea Party protests against big government.

Bettine says that he doesn’t think the property tax reduction would save anybody much money. How could it, he asks, if the borough will have to collect extra revenue — he estimates $1 million a year — just to run the program?

“The 7.3 mill rate plus the 20,000 you get off of your home would not make up for the extra you end up paying for the sales tax,” he said.

He said he ran his own calculations and found that a person spending $3,000 on taxable goods and services a month would wind up paying $584 more in taxes.

On the other side is Jesse Tanner, a real estate agent and chair of Citizens for Property Tax Relief, which formed to support the initiative. He thinks the savings will be immediate, noting that the amount of money a person would have to spend to eliminate the property tax savings is extravagant.

“You’d have t spend $24,000 in taxable goods and services to make up that difference,” he said.

Then there’s the question of assessments.

Bettine pointed out that it’s the borough that sets assessed value. So, if the borough says your home is worth more you end up paying more in taxes.

“There’s no limit on how much they can increase your assessed value,” he said.

Tanner said he strongly disagrees, pointing out that state law says a property’s assessment is closely tied to a property’s market value.

“To say that the borough is just going to raise assessments is ridiculous,” he said.

He pointed out that assessments, since they’re tied to the housing market, actually went down this year and likely will next year. Borough Manager John Duffy, when he presented the borough’s budget this year, backed up that view, saying that assessments were down about 5 percent in 2008.

And what about the tax’s effects on local business and the economy?

Bettine fears it will drive merchants away.

    “We’ve been out talking to the small businesses,” he said. “A lot of them are just infuriated about this.”

    He also said now is not the time to raise sales taxes, given the economy is in the dumps.

    But Tanner said that historically, economic recovery has come from a rebound in the housing market. If property taxes stay high, fewer people buy homes and the housing market stays in the tank.

    As for who benefits, Bettine said he thinks the ordinance mainly benefits the wealthy and hurts the middle class.

    “What it looks like to us, when we run the money, is that it’s land developers or people who own multiple properties that are going to benefit,” he said. “Mostly middle income home owners that are going to wind up paying a higher overall tax.”

    Tanner disagrees, falling back on the estimates of how much the average homeowner would have to spend to erase his property tax savings.

    And what about the chances each side has?

    “We feel pretty optimistic,”  that the ordinance will pass, Tanner said.

    “Our feeling from talking to folks is we think it will get defeated,” Bettine said.

Contact Andrew Wellner at andrew.wellner@frontiersman.com or 352-2270.

Comments

43 comment(s)

    Sarah ASD wrote on Oct 11, 2009 3:22 PM:

    " Gee, did the frontiersman do a poll? Perhaps this is an example of how "correct" their polls are?! Ha! Frontiersman, you are a sorry excuse of a newspaper. Really............... "

    Scottie wrote on Oct 8, 2009 12:38 PM:

    " “Undecided” – Wasilla residents/property owners pay the same borough property taxes you do. Until recently, (not sure when it was eliminated) we also paid a City property tax. Bottom line, drama queen, you do not pay our property taxes. It was our prerogative as City residents to enact a sales tax primarily to pay for our police force. If you don’t like paying it, then shop in Palmer or drive to Anchorage. "

    Ha Ha... wrote on Oct 7, 2009 2:28 PM:

    " Is it still too close to call? Worst prediction ever by someone, the sales tax fell by a complete landslide... "

    Funny wrote on Oct 7, 2009 11:12 AM:

    " last I saw it was over 3-1 against "

    Brian wrote on Oct 7, 2009 7:46 AM:

    " We don't just have separation of church and state we have seperation of Church and Borough leadership. "

    Sovlin wrote on Oct 7, 2009 6:55 AM:

    " Mention TAX and the whole Valley goes into panic mode -- I'm sick of paying taxes while others renter, leases and freeloaders (park and squat along the road or rivers) pay nothing. I have no children so why do I pay for school needs? Everyone needs to carry the load!

    Palmer is running good people away, the crime will come full force. Just a dying town of hardheaded controlling pioneer offspring. You don't have a life you control this town. You are taking Palmer down! "

    This frontiersman reporter is way out of touch with the Valley wrote on Oct 7, 2009 12:09 AM:

    " To Close to call?????

    The frontiersman has a history of trying to prop up liberal causes and races.

    I think it is because all the reporters friends are liberal and when he polls his friends they all say they are voting Liberal.

    Maybe the Frontiersman should try to hire a non liberal reporter. "

    LOL wrote on Oct 6, 2009 10:13 PM:

    " The sales tax was defeated with 76% of the vote. Yep,"too close to call." "

    North Valley wrote on Oct 6, 2009 9:55 PM:

    " "Too close to call"?

    Who says?

    SIX times since 1991?

    What part of NO don't you big gooberment lovers understand? "

    Reality Facilitator wrote on Oct 6, 2009 2:23 PM:

    " Patriot: you're spot on! Re: the discussion about cell phone companies knowingly adding to the city sales tax coffers by charging a city sales tax to those who have a zip code that attaches to " Wasilla" or "Palmer". . . ACS charged me for it and AT&T charges it and refuses to remove it. If you want a real story-- one would think that fraud would provide it. . . both the cell phone co's and cities are aware it' going on. Class action suit, anyone? "

    Cell phone tax wrote on Oct 6, 2009 1:38 PM:

    " I live outside Wasilla City limits and asked AT&T to not charge me city sales tax. I was directed to the Eagle River Manager and had to insist that I didn't need a letter from the City to prove my out-of-city location. After several calls and a threat to turn this over to the press she credited my account with the tax collected thus far and changed my account to out-of-city-limits. She informed me that they don't have the manpower or revenues to bring their system up to speed to keep track of out-of-city limits accounts. "

    to FYI wrote on Oct 6, 2009 12:12 PM:

    " That's because you told them. They don't ask you if you are in or out of city limits and automatically charged based on the zip codes. Everyone should check their statements and demand a refund. "

    FYI wrote on Oct 6, 2009 10:49 AM:

    " I live outside Palmer City Limits and told GCI. I am not charged Palmer sales tax. "

    Straight Talk wrote on Oct 6, 2009 10:46 AM:

    " Too close to call ? Where did you get your information ? The Frontiersman never even held a yes/no vote on the issue to my knowledge. Why didn't you ? "

    Dont like being TAXED wrote on Oct 6, 2009 10:13 AM:

    " If you have a Wasilla or Palmer zip code (99645, 99654 for a mailing purposes), AND use AT&T or GCI services- you are most likely PAYING A CITY SALES TAX RIGHT NOW!

    These cell phone companies don't want to spend the money to identify you as a non-city resident of Wasilla and Palmer and are collecting sales tax from everyone using these zip codes. Hatchers Pass residents are paying Palmer sales tax for phone services. Check your statements. You have the right to mandate a refund. "

    thanks wrote on Oct 6, 2009 8:00 AM:

    " Good Article Mr. Wellner. I like seeing things fair - both sides of the story. I was beginning to worry that the Frontiersman was only doing the negative - by letting the mayors use their columns to badmouth the Borough. I hope the "Mayors Corner"s in the future actually talk about the cities involved. "

    Help to UnDecided ---- wrote on Oct 6, 2009 7:22 AM:

    " Dear Undecided: "BLess you My Child" You figured it out. I say get rid of all "city taxes" and make it a "borough wide tax" That way we all benefit. "

    Late to the Party ---- wrote on Oct 6, 2009 7:16 AM:

    " Oh My, I am obviously late to this party. To "Imvoting No" you need to BE on the Assembly-run NOW. To LEE - they wil find YOUR assessment and raise it!!! "Liberty" - nice try. "Valley" = this is the first fair item by the Frontiersman. They have printed all the "Mayor's corners" that had NOTHING to do with the cities&Dicussed the borough vote. "Patriot" I like your thinking, but you have to RUN for office and WIN then I'mIN. And Lydia&Palmeranian, I'm In. Lets discuss further after the vote is counted. "

    message to PATRIOT -- wrote on Oct 5, 2009 10:58 PM:

    " Patriot - you should run for offce, People with "commom sense" and give yourself so that there are no "lifelong theives" You are an obvious candidate "

    Scott Sez wrote on Oct 5, 2009 9:00 PM:

    " Facts:
    Renters are not exempt under the first $1000;
    $25K, not including rent, is what it costs a wage-earner to live here in the Valley, MINIMUM---spend a penny more, your taxes go up, property owner or no;
    There is no cap on assessments, there is no 'cap' on anything but PROPERTY TAX REVENUES;
    "Sunset clause" means they don't have to consult the voter to raise the rate after that clause ensues;
    Only those Borough Property Owners who do not spend money here in the Valley will see a reduction in tax outlay. Period.
    Don;t believe me? READ the BILL! "

    Undecided wrote on Oct 5, 2009 4:15 PM:

    " I find it interesting that people in Wasilla would be complaining about sales tax....I do believe they currently do NOT pay any property tax because of the tax revenue everyone else in the borough pays when shopping in Wasilla. Yes?? I have not heard a word about that fact in the media....Yes, I want tax relief and as I'm already paying my property tax and Wasilla owners property property tax, any relief is something...I would have liked to have seen the property tax eliminated completely for the borough instead of just capped though. Still undecided... "

    Trophyman wrote on Oct 5, 2009 2:43 PM:

    " This rapes small businesses who now pay home property tax. Double on utility taxes (home and business). Business rent tax. All my equipment purchases and rentals will now be taxed. Fuel costs now taxed. Higher prices for my customers pushing them into Anchorage or Eagle River or online. Where's the benefit for the small business owners. I'm a property owner and my taxes could double. Where is the equity in that. "

    Dennis O. wrote on Oct 5, 2009 1:01 PM:

    " A sales tax with the listed restrictions is a very sensible policy to put in place. It is also much more equitable, since it will distribute the borough's tax burden beyond just property owners to everyone who uses borough services. I'm voting yes on this one, it's a no-brainer. "

    Big Lake wrote on Oct 5, 2009 10:23 AM:

    " The comment from our Assembly members "When assesments go up." Yes this was said at the meetings. Do you realize the tax is on Rent, Food, Telephone, Gas, Heating, Over the counter medicine, Services? If you use Food Stamps or WIC you will not pay sales tax. Per Ordiance "It is the sellers responsibility to pay the sales tax even if you did not collect it." Have a yard sale, you owe sales tax. Just think of how many people the Borough will hire to collect this tax. Government grows and the cost will be passed onto the consumer. "

    aklifer wrote on Oct 5, 2009 10:19 AM:

    " I agree, all but two people that I know will vote no on this. With this new tax, valley property owners that don't live in the valley will get lower prop taxes without having to pay the sales tax. I think there are enough absentee owners that this will have an inpact. Also, I am confident that if there were any savings it would quickly be chewed up by the borough government, it can't be helped it is what government does. "

    fishhook wrote on Oct 5, 2009 9:54 AM:

    " this tax will make the lower income person pay more of their income into taxes. the large landowners, especially the ones who do not live in the valley, will make out like bandits. i work in anchorage, so shopping there will be easy for me to avoid the 6%. i own a duplex, and if my property taxes go up, so does the rent! renters help pay property taxes also. it is not just the property owners who pay for property taxes, we all pay
    vote NO on the property tax!. "

    Lydia wrote on Oct 5, 2009 12:09 AM:

    " so funny too close to call can we keep this article up for post vote comments LOL "

    palmeranian wrote on Oct 4, 2009 6:46 PM:

    " To close to call? Based on what...two peoples opinions?

    Who made the headline for this story? "

    Not Now wrote on Oct 4, 2009 3:59 PM:

    " The school district is part of this puzzle. They use most of the borough budget. The sales tax wont save anybody anything. It will just cause a spurt in Borough Projects. Lets look at the fuzzy projects and departments that just exist. Time to trim not raise more tax. "

    long time resident wrote on Oct 4, 2009 3:41 PM:

    " I've voted no on every sales tax so far. However, I will be voting YES this time. The math works out well. Property owners have been footing all the burden...this speads it out and reduces my taxes for a change. "

    Burden wrote on Oct 4, 2009 2:03 PM:

    " Ahhh, the duality of it. People are talking from both sides of their mouths, on one side they say they want tax relief, from the other, they scorn people for not donating enough (you get what you pay for). So? Which is it?
    I vote NO!!!! "

    Hey wrote on Oct 4, 2009 2:00 PM:

    " Well, I for one will shop in Anchorage or Eagle River if this passes since I'm already in town for work anyway. As almost 1/3 of valley residents also work in Anchorage area, I wonder what that will do to valley businesses. I will definitely vote NO on Tuesday. Sounds like the well to do wanting tax relief on their high cost property, while grandma is toast on her fixed income and limited ability to go elsewhere. Which medication will she avoid so she can buy food? "

    to matsu guy wrote on Oct 4, 2009 1:47 PM:

    " Having to commute to Anchorage five days a week it will be NO problem to shop there or Eagle River and save enough money to make it worthwhile. Don't forget the new tax will add another ten cents to the price of gasoline and add 3% to all forms of energy. Our price for cell phone,telephone,electricity and everything else will take a big jump with the imposition of a new sales tax. Having sat in on all the Assembly meetings that hatched this tax I can say it was a farce. Vote NO on the Tax,Church and Wells. "

    Brian wrote on Oct 4, 2009 1:22 PM:

    " If I am going to have to pay 6% sales tax to shop in Wasilla I will do my shopping at the Anchorage Costco thank you and you can kiss the 3% that you have been getting goodbye! Lots of people are thinking the same thing right now and then, lo and behold, when the local politicians find out that they aren't getting in as much as they thought guess what they will do? That's right they will raise taxes! "

    Matsuguy wrote on Oct 4, 2009 12:11 PM:

    " With population growth, the borough needs more cash to keep up. Right now the mil rate is onerous and property taxes too high. As for driving business to Anchorage, Eagle River is 20 miles from the Glenn/Parks interchange, the Muldoon big boxes 30. Gas is $3.27 a gallon, do the math. As residents of the valley, we need to pay for the services we need and enjoy. The burden should not be just on the shoulders of property owners. "

    Patriot wrote on Oct 4, 2009 10:43 AM:

    " We can lower our property taxes to start with by firing John Duffy and people like Cindy Bettine and Pete Houston. Career politicians don't listen to their constituents, remember the animal shelter we voted down? Don't you think that building a ferry with no place to dock it is like putting the cart before the horse? We need people with common sense not personal agendas in office. Vote all politicians out after one term, don't let them become life long thieves. No more effing taxes, to increase government spending on pet projects. "

    Valley wrote on Oct 4, 2009 10:07 AM:

    " Too close to call???
    Another wonderful story made up in lala land by the Frontiersman
    There is NO-WAY...this vote will be too close to call
    I'll call it now 85% NO..15% Yes...And thats of just the 12 % that will show up to vote...Imagine if the People really got out and voted...Too close...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha "

    Liberty wrote on Oct 4, 2009 8:35 AM:

    " Odd, everyone I've talked to is voting No. I wonder who Mr. Tanner has been talking to. Bottom line; proposition proponents have not done an effective job of clarifying the objective. As the answer to whether we will pay fewer taxes overall is very unclear, this initiative should be an overwhelming NO. "

    For Sales Tax wrote on Oct 3, 2009 10:02 PM:

    " I just learned today that, if the the sales tax passes, borough residents will finally see some benefit from gravel sales. While the gravel industry thankfully has provided jobs to local residents, a lot of people have been impacted by gravel operations, from broken windshields to wear and tear on the roads from the trucks, and having to listen to jake brakes at all hours of the day, and blowing dust from the pits. So it will be nice if some of our property tax will go down and will be replaced from gravel sales. "

    Lee wrote on Oct 3, 2009 9:27 PM:

    " Hey Tanner my assessment is no where close to the actual market, and it never was,,,and I might add this alleged assessments is purportedly based on similar places, but when raised NO ONE and I mean no one can produce these alleged similar places, so lets spare everyone the BS and just admit its about how much revenue can be squeezed out of us mere peasants. "

    Im Voting NO wrote on Oct 3, 2009 8:35 PM:

    " None on the borough assembly have convinced me that they can be trusted with a second stream of revenue. That's the bottom line. "

    Observer wrote on Oct 3, 2009 7:56 PM:

    " A vote to impose this sales tax on the people will lead to overall higher taxes for everyone. Don't believe the lies of Houston,Bettine and their cronies. Their goal is larger more intrusive government. Many of us can easily spend our money in Anchorage or Eagle River and save 6% if this passes. If I am punished for supporting valley businesses "sorry". Thank you to the Conservative Patriot Group for fighting against the well financed proponents of the NEW FOREVER SALES TAX. I hope to hear more from your group on future valley issues. "

    MD says No wrote on Oct 3, 2009 6:07 PM:

    " This isnt the sales tax that works. Vote No...
    Then lets get one that really cuts property tax. Borough employee bloat with no end in sight. "

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