ATVs have no place


Published on Saturday, November 7, 2009 8:49 PM AKST

To the editor:

I would like to respond to the story in the newspaper about ATV abuse in the city of Wasilla.

I take exception to the statement that a few irresponsible riders are the problem. All riders are the problem. Every ATV ridden by anyone contributes to the deterioration of the eyesore trails alongside every road in Wasilla. Kids will always be kids, and as soon as they are out of sight of their parents on these $6,000 to $8,000 toys, they will let them rip. They are kids. That’s what they do.

The few of us who take pride in our property and our city find it impossible to landscape anything. I don’t have a “Proud to be Valley Trash” sticker on my vehicles because I take offense at the charge. We need to clean up our city, plant grass, landscape it and keep the ATVs off of it, and change the perception that we’re “Proud to be Valley Trash.”

I can hear the gnashing of teeth already, “My only transportation. I use it to get to work, etc.”

The economy will survive without them.

There is not a city anywhere in the USA the size of Wasilla that condones this behavior.

The city council will ban them completely — as it should — when the number of children killed on them becomes intolerable. What is that number? Five? Ten? Twenty? Just tell me and I won’t waste my time, or yours, until that number is reached.

Robert Friesen

Wasilla

 

Comments

51 comment(s)

    Mat-Su wrote on Nov 29, 2009 11:59 AM:

    " The first people in Alaska were known as the 'Mummy People"
    The Mummy People Possessed Some Caucasian Features. In Fact, Some Had Reddish Hair.
    The Russians Were Not The First To Meet The Mummy People In Mortal Combat.
    The Eskimos Had Faced Them In Their Island-by-island Conquest Of The Aleutians Begun Several Centuries Earlier. Today'S Aleuts Carry A Mixture Of Eskimo And Mummy-people Genes.
    So yes it's true, white people with red hair.?Irish? were here first.aThe true First People were Irish decendants

    Visit the libraries "

    kgb wrote on Nov 20, 2009 3:55 PM:

    " just so everybody knows KGB is 99% "not" in wasilla city limits. ban them from city limits...sure i agree with that. 4 wheelers dont need to be in city limits. "

    Lazy mtn wrote on Nov 20, 2009 8:41 AM:

    " Now remember Eric, we do have the what we locals call the "Weeding out of the idiots" that goes on in all types of activities..Cars, boats,skis, climbers, hikers,snowmobiles,dog sledders etc.etc...You can't ban something because someone was killed blah, blah. Some people there is no no help for and they are going to succeed in killing themselves one way or another.
    E N F O R C E M E N T "

    Country Girl wrote on Nov 19, 2009 11:56 PM:

    " MatSu, where did you go to school? Did they teach American or Alaskan history there? You sound like most of the outdoorsmen in Mat-Su. What are your information sources? There's libraries in Wasilla and Palmer in case you 'd like to educate yourself. Is it true that girls in Mat-Su are smarter than the guys? "

    Hybrid wrote on Nov 19, 2009 9:57 PM:

    " to Mat Su: I didn't start it. Read the chain of letters more carefully. Besides, your particular anthropological theory is not a settled issue; it is still in debate and is, in fact, not widely accepted. So much for your insult! I was trying to make the point that ATVs have not been around that long. Guess the kids don't understand this. Somebody needs to educate them about the background of their toys. Also people need to try very hard to make them understand that they have responsibilities that come with riding. "

    Mat-Su wrote on Nov 19, 2009 8:27 PM:

    " Hybrid, don't even start the who was here first debate, That one goes back WAY before the "supposed natives" showed up. And yes the first were caucasion. You are only talking within the last few thousand years. Like Eric. Learn before you speak "

    Mat-Su wrote on Nov 19, 2009 8:24 PM:

    " Eric, not a NIMBY...If you only knew, But check your facts, most accidents on ATV'S in Alaska are in the villiages, {natives} no helmets, and are alcohol related.
    The case you are talking about was vehiculars fault, not ATV. So again..try to keep facts from fiction. Read.. Learn.. "

    Ronnie wrote on Nov 18, 2009 8:40 AM:

    " ATV's have no place being operated within the City limits of Wasilla, it's time to accept reality. "

    Ken wrote on Nov 18, 2009 3:32 AM:

    " Green people up in Alaska too? Thought they were just down here in the lowest 48. There are many transplants from Minnesota in Alaska and judging by the opinion that all ATV's are the problem, he must be one of them. I will be moving to Alaska in the coming year or so and will be bringing my ATV's to a state that doesn't look at ATV's with disdain, at least not yet. "

    Eric wrote on Nov 17, 2009 1:36 PM:

    " Mat-Su thank you for your trite reply. NIMBYs always want to point fingers elsewhere. We need to take responsibility for our on actions. In 2006 we saw 2 kids killed in Wasilla in a single week so don't try to say it is the Villages. We need to keep them but they need to be regulated- they are tools not toys. "

    Selfish riders wrote on Nov 16, 2009 12:14 PM:

    " To Hybrid...I agree with you 100%. Well said. "

    Hybrid wrote on Nov 16, 2009 7:22 AM:

    " to avid rider:
    No, you weren't here first. The Natives were. They didn't ride ATVs! Next came the white settlers and then ordinary people. For your information, three wheelers did not show up in the valley until later in the 1970s. So you were not first. Not even close. Nobody would care if people rode ATVs if you riders weren't so obnoxious about it. What is so hard for you to understand about that? Get over yourselves or YOU GO AWAY, LATECOMER!! "

    Country Girl wrote on Nov 15, 2009 11:52 PM:

    " Avid Rider: Davy Crockett was an outdoorsman. He didn't need no ATV and I bet he wouldn't feel the need for such a contraption if he lived today. He was a real man. He was the King of the Wild Frontier and I wish I'd meet guys like him in Alaska instead of all those real-men wannabees with their boytoys. "

    avid rider wrote on Nov 15, 2009 1:14 PM:

    " Robert Friesen. Why don't you go back to california, or whatever big city your from. This state belongs to Alaskans and we our outdoorsmen. You probably sit at the bar for your entertainment. Well we don't and we were here first. JUST GO AWAY!!!!!!! Leave this big wonderful state to those of us who deserve it. I can't believe the Frontiersman put your stupid article in the paper. "

    Just words.... wrote on Nov 14, 2009 1:53 PM:

    " To "you suck"..... let me be the first to welcome you to the world of words. Perhaps you should spend a little more time practicing your writing and spelling skills, and less time riding your ATV? "

    Responsible Adult wrote on Nov 14, 2009 11:15 AM:

    " Robert is right! An ATV is defined by the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) as a vehicle that travels on low pressure tires, with a seat that is straddled by the operator, along with handlebars for steering control. The key word is that an ATV is a vehicle. Kids should not be riding these alone without adult supervision. However, our Alaskan "freedom" allows parents to turn the babysitting duty over to a motorized vehicle where parents in the lower-48 would sit their kids in front of a T.V. as a babysitter. Parents here are just a lot more Irresponsible. "

    Ryan H. wrote on Nov 14, 2009 8:48 AM:

    " It would be nice if we had designated ATV trails alongside the roads that people could use. It is annoying that there are 10 seperate torn up 'trails' on both sides of KGB and people racing up and down them all day and night. Using KGB as an example, put the ATV trail on one side and the bike trail on the other. Reclaim the rest of the 'trail'. You could even put in a few under road crossings to keep people off the roads. "

    james wrote on Nov 14, 2009 6:52 AM:

    " You obviously dont have a clue. In Az. they are legal driving on paths and streets, right through the middle of town. "

    BornFree wrote on Nov 13, 2009 11:59 PM:

    " All of you freedom lovers will learn sooner or later that your freedoms end where someone else's freedom starts. "

    Kniker wrote on Nov 13, 2009 7:30 PM:

    " Mr Friesen I have to ride my 4 wheeler to Fetch water because some lousey Well Driller took my $$$$ for drilling a well that was dry. I saved for years for that well and I'm glad I still had the old Honda to get me back and for so I can have Water. Just beat it back to the Lower 48. "

    you suck wrote on Nov 13, 2009 12:31 PM:

    " Dont be mad becouse you couldnt get one as a kid or mabey you cant afford one now so you have to harase kids. "

    Just moved here continue wrote on Nov 13, 2009 8:10 AM:

    " I moved here because Alaska stands for freedom. Freedom to live and let live. If you want rules and regulation I suggest you move back to the lower 48 they will love you for all the time and energy you spend to take away peoples freedom. Since moving here I have fallen even more in love with Alaska the people and all of the wonderful hunters, fisherman and ATVers etc... There is not one thing I want change in Alaska. If you moved here to changes things go back where you came from and leave Alaskans alone "

    Just Moved here wrote on Nov 13, 2009 8:00 AM:

    " I moved here not many months ago. The reason I moved here was because Alaska stands for freedom in the United States of America. When I first drove in to Palmer I immediately noticed the beauty It was like a dream. I have been all over in the U.S and the world and let me tell you Alaska is one of the most beautiful places. The next thing I notices was all the ATV's driving along side of the road and I just smiled and I thought to myself that's freedom. ... "

    Zam wrote on Nov 13, 2009 3:34 AM:

    " Robert
    You poor man you sound so angry, perhaps some counseling is in order. "

    tina wrote on Nov 11, 2009 10:10 PM:

    " why take everything fun away. As for kids they already don't have anything in the valley to do so don't punish all for a few that make mistakes. Its just another rule we don't need.... "

    offsoapstone wrote on Nov 11, 2009 8:00 PM:

    " Make everyone happy if you ride a ATV in town then make it mandatory all drivers have a drivers license and insurance. As far as banning all ATV's Robert you are in alaska. If you don't like ATV's in town move to anchorage or out of state. "

    Stupid assumptions wrote on Nov 11, 2009 5:23 PM:

    " All these generalizations made by both sides are stupid. Not all riders are dim witted pin heads and not every person who is against ATV's also dislikes darkness, cold and whatever else you could come up with as a reason to send them packing. The fact is, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all if there was more courtesy and civility exercised in our everyday lives by every single person. The next time you flip someone off with your middle finger, you might think about that fact. Wave with all your fingers. "

    Alaska Pride wrote on Nov 11, 2009 10:19 AM:

    " As 'Brilliant' wrote, Mr. Friesen should attempt to police himself before going after others based from his court records.
    Last time I checked we live in Alaska, which means we ride ATV's for transportation and for fun. So take away that and you'll make a few happy and many more unhappy.
    The same people that oppose ATV's I'm sure are the same ones that complain about how winters are too cold, too dark and that it lasts too long.
    It's Alaska, instead of writing letters to the editor of the Frontiersman you should be looking up the costs to move. "

    valley grown wrote on Nov 10, 2009 12:08 PM:

    " Keep the atv's, I agree riders need to be more respectful, DONT RIDE ON PEOPLES LAWN... Other than that, ATV's are fun and a great cheap form of transportation. Keep taking away all the great things that set us aside of the others, this place soon will be H-E double hockey sticks. "

    jp wrote on Nov 10, 2009 11:43 AM:

    " got to love the advertisement right next to this story.
    the ad reads
    ATV -performance on all road conditions for your 4x4
    and
    ATV Blowout sale NOW $499

    HaHahAHA!
    Right on Frontiersman! "

    jimmy wrote on Nov 10, 2009 11:11 AM:

    " rob why do u live here if u dont like it? there are other places u can live with all the rules u want. why pick wasilla if u dont like what people do here. u seem like a very miserble person, and i feel sorry for u "

    K.O. wrote on Nov 10, 2009 9:13 AM:

    " Must be from the lower 48 trying to make our state just like the rest. Go back to where you came from and let us live how we have for years. "

    Brilliant. wrote on Nov 10, 2009 8:32 AM:

    " That is great, a brilliant statement from a man who I will assume is the same one found on the Alaska Trial courts system as having a full rap sheet of traffic violations. Sometimes we need to police ourselves before crying foul of others. "

    uhhhhh wrote on Nov 10, 2009 12:00 AM:

    " There is no law against riding acrossed city streets, however there is a law against riding ON as in DOWN the city streets..............duh... "

    Taxpayer wrote on Nov 9, 2009 10:47 PM:

    " Banning anything that you don't like certainly is getting popular in the Mat-Su. "

    Mat-Su wrote on Nov 9, 2009 9:15 PM:

    " Eric, check your ATV injury locations, Nearly ALL are in the BUSH, Nearly ALL are alcohol related.
    Get in the real world...The one we are discussing here...Wasilla... "

    Well wrote on Nov 9, 2009 5:34 PM:

    " Like I said. Ban cars and all wild life. The cars are ruining the pavement and the wild life keep eating my ornamental trees and shrubs. Do you realize how expensive those things are? Mr. Frieson, you don't care if an ATV driver has no other vehicle and the economy would do fine without them? Well, I will have to keep this in mind when I go shopping for my remote cabin. Not everybody can own remote property, build a cabin and fly into it. You are truly self centered. wakeup there'sAWorldaroundYOU "

    Roger wrote on Nov 9, 2009 12:53 PM:

    " Another liberal you know what. I love how they are concerned about my kid yet Mr Socialist Freisen how many of your neighbors do you know. How many times did you have them over last summer. You people know how everyone should live thier life but you need to start looking at the log in your eye before you worry about the spec in mine. "

    Eric wrote on Nov 9, 2009 6:44 AM:

    " And there is a reason why AK with one of the least populace states has the highest incidence of ATV injuries. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together to get 4. Enforcement needs to occur and part of that is licensed drivers and ATVs. "

    Mat-Su wrote on Nov 8, 2009 3:43 PM:

    " To Robert Friesen
    I would like to respond your story about ATV's in Wasilla.
    Only abusive riders are the problem. Every kind of vehicle driven contributes to the deterioration of every ditch and road. Kids will always be kids,They,like you learned by example. Enforcement is the ONLY answer. Many take pride in their property everywhere, without laws and enforcement, it would all be trashed. We need to clean up our lifestyle and change the perception that we’re “Proud to be Valley Trash.” But never lose sight that we are different than America. We are Alaskans, Willing to Work together. "

    No pin head riders wrote on Nov 8, 2009 2:32 PM:

    " I personally don't care if people continue to ride ATV's. I believe that there are places that are safe and fun to ride and the folks riding them are generally good neighbors about it. You people telling someone to move back to California would better spend your time policing the pin heads who give your sport a bad name. Mr. Friesen is not the problem. Enjoy your machines while you can because the government will soon tell you that you can't have health care if you get hurt riding an ATV. "

    jim wrote on Nov 8, 2009 1:29 PM:

    " yes move back to calif. and vote for the dems.it's no wonder the country is going to heII "

    jp wrote on Nov 8, 2009 12:51 PM:

    " Robert Friesen, move back to california, or at least out of the valley. "

    Fran wrote on Nov 8, 2009 12:07 PM:

    " Really! ... ban ALL ATVs? this Friesen character must be from somewhere even worse than California. sure, there are SOME places where ATVs should not go but ... well, with a mentality such as his probably wouldn't understand what an insult is anyway. "

    To Truth wrote on Nov 8, 2009 11:56 AM:

    " So you are one of the law breakers who ride on or cross city streets with an UNLICENSED MOTOR VEHICLE. This practice needs to be banned, Palmer and Wasilla are no longer the small towns they once were. I'd bet your kids are no different than others when out of your sight, full throttle, spinning donuts, jumping stuff etc. you better hope for your sake and their own they are wearing protection. Face it times have changed, I don't like it either. "

    lee wrote on Nov 8, 2009 11:34 AM:

    " I have a better idea why dont all you lets say within the last 30 years move back to where ever you came from? No? now that doesn't settle well now does it, so everyone who has been here should give up there experiences for youre own personal desires of a proposed perfect Order, Please, youre continuous rhetoric of kids riding on "Bike" trails, would that be the same trails that followed the old ATV trails to the T, you truthfully want to Bi#*@ about the ditches, I dont see you out there cleaning the trash out of them. "

    Nostalgia wrote on Nov 8, 2009 10:03 AM:

    " What I find interesting is that the city of Wasilla allows ATV's within the city limits and yet Palmer, which is the third the size of Wasilla, does not. Traffic along KGB and the Parks Highway is EXTREMELY busy. Ever been through Palmer during "rush hour?" "

    Power Wagon wrote on Nov 8, 2009 8:14 AM:

    " ATVs have no place in Alaska?! HA HA HAAAA!! Oh, OK! Let me guess, bush planes and boats must "have no place in Alaska" as well, right?
    Talk about going to an extreme! I also agree that it's time to reign in the jerks driving quads at high speeds, jumping driveways and cutting through private property...but to go nutty and say that we should just outright ban ATVs is just ignorant! And who cares about the trails next to the road? Accept them just like you accept the road that you're driving on, the power poles, etc. Sheesh! "

    Fielding Mellish wrote on Nov 8, 2009 7:01 AM:

    " We need to keep ATV's in Wasilla. This is the best place to live, in the greatest state in the union! I just love pulling up to the gas station in town and seeing a guy on an ATV w/ his dog on the back getting gas.

    We need to keep some of the village feel in this town to keep it great! For that matter, I love to see horses around town too. Thank goodness this isn't a city. "

    TRUTH wrote on Nov 7, 2009 11:36 PM:

    " Adults die in cars too, but the solution isn't to put everyone on a bus.

    People live here for individual freedoms. If people want to live like clones, they should move to the city and live in boxes.

    I like riding ATVs to the store etc. I teach my children to be responsible and we take precautions to be certain they ride with care while protected.

    That said, the protection needs to be from adults who are not paying attention. No excuse for their shameful disregard.

    Not our fault drivers suck "

    Palmer Farm wrote on Nov 7, 2009 11:25 PM:

    " On the previous posts I stood behind the notion that it's a few that ruin it for everybody. That the sad truth is that increased enforcement is probably necessary to curb the idiots out there. But THIS guy?! ALL ATVs are the problem? We should ban them all? Where are you from?! I laughed at all the people stating "You must be from out-of-state" and "Go back to California" etc etc on the last one. But you, Mr. Friesen, have successfully demonstrated that there can perhaps be some truth to those statements! "

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