In answering this question, it is important to assert the question does not originate with me, lest someone out there think that I am bringing some new doctrine out to bolster the political climate. But as the study of Bible prophecy includes verbiage as to the behavior of the one called “that Wicked” by Paul in II Thessalonians, it is not only a legitimate question to ask, but also one to answer.
While the word “homosexual” is not in the Bible, the behavior of those who practice homosexuality, and God’s estimation of them, very definitely is. When the word came into existence I cannot tell you, but what we can say for sure is that when Noah Webster published his first dictionary in 1828, it was not included. This means that homosexuality is a modern word invented to replace the word Noah Webster did include, sodomy, defined as a crime against nature. This is historical revisionism in action.
Sodomy is defined in scripture by two things, the first being that of where it began: Sodom. In Genesis 13:13 we have the first mention of the men of Sodom, pronouncing that they “were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly.” Their saga is continued in chapters 18 and 19 with their sin being so great that not only does God say that it “is very grievous,” but he himself comes down to destroy them with fire, the rubble of which still stands as a warning to us today.
While the Genesis account does not graphically describe their sin, leading some to deny it as being the same as homosexuality, their sin is obviously just that by how it is described: lying with mankind as with womankind. What other conclusion can be reached when they want to “know” the men who were in Lot’s house, the same word the Bible uses in Genesis 4 in relation to the conception of Cain? And that Lot himself understood their intentions is clear; not only did he call such behavior wicked, but he also offered his virgin daughters as substitutes, which the men of Sodom refused.
And one more thing: Sodomy is the only sin for which God came down from heaven to destroy. Though God dealt with many other sins in various ways, there is no other for which he came down from heaven to verify and destroy. In the New Testament, sodomy is declared to be “against nature.” And of the men, Paul in Romans 1 says they leave “the natural use of the woman….” In effect, there is no greater sin against God than to reject how he made you, and no greater sin against women than to reject how God made them.
But will the Antichrist be a homosexual? Having seen what the Bible says of sodomy, we have no further to look than the book of Daniel, chapter 11 to find our answer. It says, “Neither shall he [Antichrist] regard… the desire of women….” As I said at the onset, I am not the first to draw attention to this, but the verbiage is clear.
From a lost perspective, the reason sex sells, pornography is profitable, and prostitution is “the world’s oldest profession” is mankind’s desire of women. From Christianity’s position, it is part of the glue for the bond of marriage and the propagation of a godly heritage. But homosexuality does not regard this — in their unbridled lusts they burn for their own gender.
But consider this: The time is ripe for such a leader. Indeed, it should not be surprising that the one who is against everything Biblical and Christian should be a partaker of so great a sin; there is no greater way to reject the Creator than to reject your gender and his design for it. And at what other time have we seen such perversion come out of the closets onto our streets, threatening violence if we do not accept their ways?
Is it any wonder that Revelation 13 says that this same Antichrist will make war with the saints of the tribulation, and overcome them? Are they not now readying themselves to make it illegal to “offend” them in any way, calling it hatred to preach against their sin? Is it because they love us? The time is ripe for such a man.
But remember that sodomy is the one sin that God left heaven and came to earth to destroy. Could it be that this will be the predominate sin on earth when Christ descends from the clouds to fight against the armies of wickedness? And will it be just a coincidence that the Antichrist will be the very first occupant of the lake of fire, tasting eternal death 1,000 years before even the devil himself?
You be the judge.
Ron Hamman is pastor for Independent Baptist Church of Wasilla. Contact him at 357-4229.
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For every person here saying something like God hates sin not the sinner or says that this pastor is speaking for God and no one should hold him accountable understand that you are not. God you have never met God and your hearts have grown cold in the belief that man holds truth stop listening to what you are told is God and start listening if you follow the bible (word of man) and not the words God has written on all of our hearts than you are lost.
God is crying for Christianity to return to him you are all being blinded by these modern day pharacies.
WOW i am really inspired
It is very similar as were in the days of Sodom. --men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. That recompence has reference that within their own self their testifies of their condemnation; which is why they cry so vilely against where there is a witness against them. Besides this, great darkness besets and owns them. The wicked walk in darkness, they know not at what they stumble. The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools. Jesus is Lord
The bible also says to keep the Sabbath day Holy and not to work. Yest as soon as church lets out every Sunday Church Goers to straight out to eat and go grocery shopping which causes people to have to work on Sunday. The Bible was written to justify the needs of everyone else. Can you imagine if there were never a gay person. When the average person has 2.5 kids and their kids have kids, What do you think the population of the earth would be today? Certainly more than 6.5 Billion People is for sure.
"This means that homosexuality is a modern word invented to replace the word Noah Webster did include, sodomy, defined as a crime against nature."The problem is that many heterosexual couples practice sodomy, and many homosexual couples don't. I'm afraid that sodomy and homosexuality are not interchangeable.
This is awsome man of God. Very much so true. God bless
All sexual relationships outside of marriage between a man and a woman is sin. If its not between a male husband and female wife according to the Bible it is wrong. God can change you and forgive you. Repent the end is near. God loves you and he wants to save you from your sin. Ask Jesus to show you the truth with sincerity and he will.
The last chapter of Revelations says Let he who is filthy be filthy still and he who is righteous be still righteous. And, behold I am coming quickly and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. The bible is truth. Don't be mad at Pastor Hamman for telling you what the bible says. Wait and see what the end will be. I will pray that all you Jesus haters repent before it is everlasting to late. God loves everyone but he will judge those who won't repent.
I love reading all these comments.....it sooo funny that people have such hate for Christianity. Its all such a double standard anymore....if I said anything bad about gays I would get in trouble for a hate crime...or if I bashed any other religion..same thing. BUT poeple can bash Christianity and they can bash heterosexuals.......not to meantion the double standard with race. I believe 100% in the BIble and the possibility of the anti Christ being homosexual. SO WHAT! If you dont agree with this article, then it doesnt pertain to u :)
Thank you reverend. Father God created us beautiful, unfortunately we were born into sin. God can forgive all iniquities. God made man and then he created woman as a help meet. Unfortunately satan ruined it all, thus the origination of homosexualty. God only creates perfection, and Satan introduces ruination. Thank you for showing us God's way, and yes we can love those who have adopted the incorrect sexuality, but God wants us to forgive and pray for those who have strayed away from his purpose. God bless you and your purpose.
When christians speak God's word they are not judging, God is. When people get angry with the person speaking, God tell us that it is actually Him that they are angry with. Jesus loves the sinner but he hates the sin. Jesus said that He came not for peace but with a sword. Sin is sin. God made each one of us in his image, however so many people want to deny his work and do their own thing. I am fearfully and wonderfully made and I praise God for the blessing.
HappyHeathen has a keen insight. I coundnt agree with you more. These people are, in fact and Truth, false prophets and fit the description of false prophets according to the bible.
HappyHeathen has a keen insight. I coundnt agree with you more. These people are, in fact and Truth, false prophets and fit the description of false prophets according to the bible.
Let Him who is without sin cast the first stone. Doesn't the Bible tell us that Jesus said that if you hate a man you have already committed murder? Mr. Hammon has killed over 40 million Americans with his hate, such a proud accomplishment for a follower of Jesus.
You closed-minded people need to stop looking at homosexuality as if it were a problem, or a bad thing. Your religion is blinding you to greater and more important truths about life. There cannot be an all-loving god who rejects those who love certain people, or a certain person. False love and adultery are real problems. But if there is true love between two humans, why should any other factor matter? I believe in a god who cares about love, not old-fashioned ideas about what is right and wrong that have no basis. PS: I am straight
I am not sure why many people continue to only want to view God as all loving and will not even raise his voice against sin. One needs only to read the book of Revelation to see that Jesus is returning to JUDGE the world. Yes, He loves everyone and He has already paid the price but not everyone accepts His invitation of salvation. Therefore since He is also HOLY, He must stand for justice and judge sin. The bible says that light came into the world but the world loves darkness.
As a language teacher, I am now more acutely aware than ever of the power of language to affect culture. I therefore think it good, as a Christian, to seek a modern, contemporary Bible that calls homosexuality by its true, more criminal name: sodomy. From now on I will be replacing that word in my current translations.
From the twisted responses to a reasonable 'christian' question regarding the sexuality of the end times antichrist, all I can say is that the world is now pretty deceived!Satan deceives the whole world. The Bible is TRUTH. There is no end to the amount of 'evidence' to support whatever position one would choose to take about whether homosexuality is a sin or not. 50 years ago it was called 'sodomy' and it was a crime in all nations of the planet. So, do you believe God's WORD the Bible, or so-called truth from the world?
Be Holy for I Am Holy Saith The Lord....There Is a Reward For Those Who Live Holy Unto The Lord........................Acts 2 38
Pastor Hamman has not shown hatred or disrespect to anyone in this article yet this is perceived by many of the commentators. He simply and logically poses a question and asks the reader to be the judge. How can so many of you get offended and attack a man who is only pointing out a logical assumption from biblical scripture? Shouldn't the antichrist be allowed to be gay if he wants? Whats wrong with making that assumption? So all of a sudden, the antichrist has to be heterosexual by gay standards?
Actually, you DON'T be the judge. I think this "pastor" entirely ignores the fact that Jesus said "Let he who sins not cast the first stone."Let me put it out there that the anti-christ is every single one of you who are so eager to punish and judge when that job is EXCLUSIVELY God's! NOT MANS. The anti-christ lives in those of you who are willing to destroy a person in words or actions!!!
The following, from Matthew Chap. 19, is what Jesus had to say about "sexuality." 11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Peter wrote : Only 1.2% of people identify as homosexual in Australia and the US would be no different. There is no evidence anyone is "born' gay and there is plenty of evidence that homosexuals can repent, change.------------------------The key word is "identify", Peter. In Atlanta, Georgia the gay population is almost 15%. That's a little bit more than 1.2%, isn't it? There is an immense amount of current research that leaves no doubt that people are born gay:youtube.com/watch?v=r7aUlWjPZVwyoutube.com/watch?v=fOO1Y4OryWYyoutube.com/watch?v=FYEJpcAHz5kIf you want to know to know the truth, you have to do the research.
Rev, God is spoken of in the Bible in many places as being a loving God. He sol loved us that He gave us his Son to save us. So then, why would one follow a theology of hate and set oneself off as being "Godlike" enough to judge His creatures and His creations?
Thank you! You often write very interesting articles. You improved my mood.
Are you a professional journalist? You write very well.
This article is an abomination!No matter how flawed the logic and how twisted the reasoning of this article is, the worst part of it is still the sinful idea that sexual orientation - whatever your opinion on it - is worse than infanticide (i. e. abortion), worse than an immoral war that costs the lives of innocents, worse also than extramarital affairs which devalue the marital bond etc. etc.Open your eyes, Rev.! Look at the world!And READ YOUR BIBLE with an open heart for once!You too can be redeemed! I mean it!
What I have noticed from reading some of the comments on here is that people are under a misapprehension. As a Christian, I do NOT hate gays. The Bible says that homosexuality is a sin, but it also says to love the sinner and hate the sin. I love you no matter if you are gay or straight. Yes, you are sinning, but that does not make me hate you. It makes me pray for you all the more.
LoL! What a hoot. If i am the antichrist, than SO BE IT!! MUAHH lol lol lol lol
Aside from all the obvious right-wing-frothing and dodgily engineered bible quotes abound in this article;"destroy them with fire, the rubble of which still stands as a warning to us today."I'm sorry, I have a degree in a geographical science and I've traveled around, but I've failed to notice any ruined cities with pillars of salt. Unless you are talking about the abandoned fishing communities and halite deposits around the Dead Sea; but that is the result of a diminishing water source in an over-populated arid environment. Smells like a heterosexuality problem to me.
Gay people are usually more capable of loving all mankind much better than useless christians who hate everything good.You should be so lucky as to become gay.
"And that Lot himself understood their intentions is clear; not only did he call such behavior wicked, but he also offered his virgin daughters as substitutes..."So it's ok to pimp out your daughters??? Maybe the fire and brimstone was aimed at Lot and missed it's mark! In that case, the sodomites would have been "collateral damage" using Bush terminology!
I dated the Antichrist in college. We met on the Frisbee team. Soooo cute! He rebuffed my advances at first, claiming to be hetero. But like most college boys, he was only straight for the first six-pack. It was hot for awhile, but we were incompatible: I being a scrappy actor/waiter with dreams of stardom, and he- a soul-sucking prince of darkness with a powerful father and a career in world domination on the horizon. I'm not gay anymore, thanks to my church, where I worship a hanging statue of a naked man in an S&M fantasy.
It is a sad day, when I see my brethren demoted to these type of frivalous questions. You ask yourselves whether this man of evil, this bearer of hate, will be a homosexual... as though you could pick him out of a crowd. Do you not read the words your God has written. Do you not see what he puts in front of your eyes this very moment!? How then, oh blasphemous wasters of time, do you stand and sulk about? Take up your armor for we are living in the times He foretold...
Now that it has been established that the Antichrist will be a homosexual, the next question is: will this be a good or a bad thing? Answer: it depends. If he is open about it, then his being gay would be a good thing, provided he does a competent job as Antichrist and avoids scandals. The more openly gay, successful leaders, the better for everyone: LGBT's feel more included in society, and in the end, intolerant folks more easily overcome their homophobia ….
… (continued) …. Ideally the Antichrist would be in a committed relationship. If he and his partner had kids and raised them in a regular middle-class manner, that would soften some hearts, and lead to less demonization of gays. Surely his PR people could get some good photo spreads in People magazine, or its end-times equivalent.
… (continued) …. On the other hand, if the Antichrist is repressed and closeted, this could turn out very badly. He could engage in gay bashing as is done by some closeted clergy and politicians. If he then got outed it could get very ugly. Still, one has to have some sympathy with those who feel that, due to their career choice, they cannot come out.
I Think it is amazing how People who obviously don't believe that the bible is true, will use the same "untrue book" to justify their own actions. The fact that there have been so many negative responses to the Pastors article, speaks for itself. Truth hurts! I would be afraid to say some of the things that you people are saying about Jesus. One of these days every knee shall bow, and confess that He is lord, and you will answer for any unrepented thing you say about our savior. Don't ad insult to injury by attacking Jesus.
Homosexuals of either sex are not born that way. This behavior choice is the result of a breakdown in the relationship with one or both parents. This behavior is a flag that is flying from the tallest pole, expressing a call for help!
The American Psychological Association concluded Wednesday August 5, 2009 that there is little if any evidence that homosexuality can be changed. Rather, they say attempts to do so should be avoided, as it can damage the mental health of the person or increase suicidal tendencies.Anti-gay Christians are starting to run out of excuses to despise gays. It's you people who really need to repent for your sins. You ruin the lives of innocent people with your askew morality and hateful ways. If there really is an Anti-Christ, it's people like you.
The greatest damage to our society is that ppl accept: that a gay was born that way & cannot help themselves.Psychologist no longer offer help.I know for a fact that this desire for the same sex can be overcome.It is like therapy for ppl suffering from aphasia. If one says he when talking about a she, it makes them angry if corrected. It feels normal to them. The longer the wrong association is made it becomes almost impossible to correct the error.The connection in the brain trying to form the word just connected to the wrong word..
Who was John, the Beloved Disciple, then Good Pastor? In my religion we believe John was Jesus' husband. In fact, Jesus never married a woman. His new law replaces the Old Testament laws. That's what Jesus says in the Bible, anyway. Read it and Find Out.
Interesting?I think you have all made good points. The real issue is this, believing that Almighty God loves us all, is our behavour pleasing to Him? That is a personal question we have to answer for ourselves, I do believe God loves Gay people but not the act of gay sex no matter how good it feels. Its personal its between you and the Lord and no one else, Love you all no matter what you lable yourself, Daz UK
I am intrigued by your level of faith in the words of Noah Webster and even more so by your leap of logic that the neutral word "homosexual" (etymology source being the word homosapien) is a concoction of modern revisionisnm. You preferring the derogatory term, sodomist as the accurate definition, trusting that Noah had it correct only in the 1st edition. Oh, and one more thing. The word pastor, according to our friend Noah, does literally mean a shepherd of sheep in a rural pature. Please do us a favor and return to your true work.
Ron Hamman may be a religious man, just like the Pharisees of Jesus' day, but he's no follower of Jesus. He doesn't represent Jesus, and he doesn't represent Alaska.
I suspect Ron Hamman is the antichrist. He is preaching hate after all....
"Jesus had a lot of time to come out a clearly state his views and never did. NEVER! Must not be a big deal. Peace and love everyone, peace and love. "So the other passages in the bible that condemn "men who lie with men" don't apply because "Jesus never said anything about it? Like,it's a "lesser" sin then stealing, rape or murder so it's ok to be gay? I'm not christian and I'm not trying to start an arguement here but let' not pick and choose what passages we agree with to fit our own lifestyles
If homosexuality is so wrong in God's eyes why didn't God put it in The 10 Commandments? Couldn't of picked a better place to be more clear about things. A simple little ...Thou shalt not... and it would have been all taken care of. Jesus had a lot of time to come out a clearly state his views and never did. NEVER! Must not be a big deal. Peace and love everyone, peace and love.
omg i saw this in vf and had to look. are you kidding? i need a copy of this paper to frame and hang in my room. it is hilarious!!! you know, i feel so sorry for these people who think we're evil and out to get them. then again, i feel sorry fo us that we can't get married becouse of people like them. i plan to send this to everyone i know; it's so absurd.
In these troubled times, it must be reassuring for you to know that the God of love and compassion shares the same pointless and idiotic hatred of other people that you do.When the Rapture comes, can I have your car?Jesus loves you, the rest of us think you're an @#%$*&!
Wow, just had to check this after reading the Vanity Fair article. I thought Hawaii was a foreign and exotic state, but the have nothing on Alaska.
This is so funny. I am sitting here at work reading this thing and trying not to laugh so hard that I cry!
Wow. Thoughtful words from an isolated mind. Can't wait till the "end of days" then we'll see who's right and who's wrong about this one. I'm going to go to bed with my boyfriend now, I'll let you know if God blows off the roof of my house and sends me to the underworld... Do you think they have wifi down there yet? hmm.
The only thing one can really do when confronted with such Christian hatred and stupidity is to point and laugh, people.Point and laugh.
I hope this blog is still up when those who doubt and mock are left behind. You'll have 31/2 years to change your mind! Enjoy!
Hello! I'm the Antichrist. Don't worry, this label was just an error in biblical translation. I'm not Anti-Christ. I'm anti-Christian hypocrisy. Accordingly, I recognize that you are diverse in so many ways and this is not evil. It'll be a real test for humanity to cease their self-defeating focus on trivial distinctions and embrace what they have in common. Like right-handed people, left handed people exist and thrive. Like straights, gays are romantically attracted to each other in ways that strengthen the bonds you all have for each other. Try not to commit evil in the name of Religion.
"Will the Antichrist be a Homosexual?"well of course he will, just like the real christyou know, people need to read their bibles just a little closer
Good article Ron, seems like you upset a bunch of tittle babies cos you told the truth. bunch of little babies. I have noticed when I try to take up for the Bible, I am cut off. that's Ok, I know what kind of people you are.
Wow, how can Alaskans look at this article in a newspaper in Sara Palin's backyard and then still wonder why the rest of the US thinks she's a fruitcake?
did anyone else notice the ad for a gay cruise next to this article?
One of the funniest articles I have ever read. Thanks for the laugh, Rev. Ron, it made my day!
How can there be an antichrist? Chist never existed? Jesus was a myth compounded from a bunch of other savior myths predating christianity. Look up Osiris and the greek god Dionyses. OMFG they are the same!!How can there be errors in the word of god?...and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. (Matthew 1:16) (Jesus) He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli, ... (Luke 3:23) Look it up bible thumpers!!
I was hesitant to read these posts for fear they would make me angry. I must say that I’m pleasantly surprised. Contrary to what I was expecting, most people see this article for what it is; inaccurate dribble attempting to pass for serious journalism. There is truly a God!
Alaska has the worst record of any state in rape and in murder of women by men ranking, #1 out of all 50 states. maybe you should stop lecturing gays on morality and tend to your own back yard.
I read the Vanity Fair article about Palin and just had to check out if this piece really was for real, and it was! Wow! So if this is Palin-land why not just give Alaska back to Russia, I'm sure Putin will love the homophobia hook, line and sinker. To the Editors of the Frontiersman, at least try to get in touch with the 20th century will you?
I think the factual inaccuracies and logical fallacies speak for themselves... anyone who actually reads the bible can see where 90% of this is pieced together wrongly - I mean, the basis for the continuation (desire for women) is the same thing that is the cornerstone of godly marriage?Personally, I think of the Antichrist as a pastor of one of these megacurches, complete with moneychangers in the temple (the one place in the bible where Jesus truly loses his cool).
I just want to point out that the author keeps using the word 'verbiage' to refer to the writing in the Bible.verbiage |ˈvərbē-ij|nounspeech or writing that uses too many words or excessively technical expressions.So is the author saying the Bible is poorly written, or just so technically composed that it takes experts to understand or interpret it?I don't think the author understood this word, otherwise he may have opted for another. Does that same attention to detail apply in his interpretations? I'd say it looks like that's a safe bet.
This is about the dumbest artice I have ever seen in my life...
Glad I looked this article up, or I wouldn't have known about that gay cruise being advertised on the side of the page. Thanks, Rev. Hamman! My next vacation is all set!
I,m straight and I try to be an observant man of God. Having stated that and as I don´t want to take any risks about becoming the antychrist, I´ll start calling tarts to get laid with in order to keep me in the good path. Does anybody know how many women are necessary, according to the Bible, to be safe?whoa! is this a serious site?
So, the antichrist won't desire women - just like Jesus, right?And just like the apostle Paul.
Wow, this paper did a good job of driving readers to their advertisers!
So, the antichrist won't desire women - just like Jesus, right?
I looked this "column" up because of the Vanity Fair article on Palin, wanting to see the thing for myself, before making a judgement, and wanting also to see what comments you locals made.I was heartened to find that so many of you agree with my assessment that Hamman, like Fred Phelps, is simply preposterous. But, perhaps oddly, it seems to me that both gays and straights owe such fools a debt, since they serve as the perfect repost to their own "arguments", and their ridiculous example actually aids the cause of equality. Cheers!
HILARIOUS!!!
No. I believe the Anti-Christ loves the ladies.
One last observation Ron. I have spent some time reading the responses to the circular logic you submit on behalf of 'true' believers. Thus I am forced to thank you for facilitating this outpouring of love and support for homosexual members of the human spectrum. If you need me to explain any of the long words, let me know.
Ron, I suggest that the question does in fact begin with you, just as the Christian church is soaked in the blood of homosexuals across history, its minions continue to pedal ignorance as fact and difference as deviance today. Lets have a look at your argument…Homosexuality is wrong because right-wing Christians choose to interpret scripture so that it says so in the Christian Bible, which was (supposedly) written by Christians more than 1000 years ago… Homosexuality is wrong and the Antichrist is wrong so…The Antichrist is homosexual! Is that roughly your argument Ron? Have I missed anything out?
Religion is worthless. Embrace reality, logic and truth young people. The old folks are too fargone and corrupted.
Thanks for holding back the forward progress of the human race!Gay marriage will be legal in 10-15 years all over the country. So will marijuana. Face it Christians have no more political power. Your days are numbered. 40% of Americans under 25 do not have religion. Thank God.
If no one else will stand up for Gods word, I will. I don't judge any homosexuals or anyone else, that is not my place, but the Bible does say it is unnatural and a sin. I don't hate you for your choices, I only hope that on day God will speak to your heart and tell you that what you are doing is wrong. I have questioned the anti christ sexuality for the simple reason that i don't beleive he will have children. The only way to understand this is to study Gods word.
Will I need to reboot my PC?
The sexual orientation of the AntiChrist also known as the Beast in the book of Revelation is irrelevant. All people whether straight or gay will miss Heaven unless they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Upon one accepting Jesus then the Lord will lead them to fulfill that purpose for which they were created. Homosexuality is one of the practices that are rebellious and therefore the Lord would lead a person out of that lifestyle. Scripture teaches that all unrighteousness is sin.
J. Smith wrote:"The very fact that so many sinners are here and up in arms completely verifies the fact that so insecure in their lifestyle are they that they spew vile speech and curses towards you "My version:"The very fact that so many HOMOPHOBIC CHRISTIANS are here and up in arms completely verifies the fact that so insecure in their SEXUALITY are they that they spew vile speech and curses towards HOMOSEXUALS."You choose :o)
You people all need a serious reality check. Think about libertarianism.
The term homophobic means afraid of homosexuals. I'm really tired of any rejection of the behavior called homosexuality being called homophobic. I don't invite extortionists to my home either. Nor adulterers. But that does not mean I am afraid of either one of those. I sit and talk with homosexuals out in the world every day. I never ask them what their sexual orientation is, it's none of my business. Occasionally, they let it be known anyway. And still, it doesn't scare me. But I still think it is sin, like so many other sins.
The very fact that this so-called "Christian" pastor who is grossly unfamiliar with the Bible as well as logic and grammar has written such ignorant things here is hilarious and a blessing from God !
Okay, its not hard to realize that homosexuality is a natural occurrence since it has been around since the beginning of time. Its a fact that some are homosexual and that they are genetically predisposed to being homosexual. its not hard to realize if you would simply listen to facts. but facts do not matter in your case, all you care about is some strange form of reality that is Baptist. i feel sorry for the bubble you live in.yes, this is a personal attack. most attacks are.
J. Smith wrote:"The very fact that so many sinners are here and up in arms completely verifies the fact that so insecure in their lifestyle are they that they spew vile speech and curses towards you "My version:"The very fact that so many HOMOPHOBIC CHRISTIANS are here and up in arms completely verifies the fact that so insecure in their SEXUALITY are they that they spew vile speech and curses towards HOMOSEXUALS."You choose :o)
To Peter, who wrote:"There is no evidence anyone is "born' gay and there is plenty of evidence that homosexuals can repent, change and be saved. "That is ignorant, religiously-motivated dogma, not scientific fact.Try reading the latest edition of the Scientific American's psychology/neuroscience journal, MIND, in which states that some people are GENETICALLY PREDETERMINED to be EXCLUSIVELY and PERMANENTLY homosexual. Such people can NEVER be 'cured' and turned straight by religious intervention, aversion therapy or anything else. Only BISEXUALS can make the change from a homosexual to a hetersoxual lifestyle with any success.
As the article outdates the number of posts goes down.Many people read the paper but do not comment.A lot of offended responded because they feel if they shout enough someone will listen.We listen but don't have to accept something that is not necessarily benefical to a still somewhat moral society.Many don't feel that a gay lifestyle will impact them and say "whatever".There will always be consequenses for our actions. Believers or non-believers.There will always be someone who wants to CHANGE things.Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom to be immoral.
This site is great - just as amusing as The Onion. I love it when people don't realize they are reading satirical BS and respond like the writer was serious - what a scream! Keep the laughs coming!
The truth has a certain ring to it. Perhaps that is why the story has gotten such attention. The ringing was heard by many who didn't want to hear.
Question In the most talked about story section of this site it has the number of people commenting on articles. All seem to be acurate accept this story it list 66 comments when there are over 800 why is that?
Still under 1000 wrote on Jun 8, 2009 10:54 PM:"Well I guess it looks like there are less than 1000 gay promoting, non God believing out there"Are you kidding me? The most talked about story section of this poor excuse for a paper has 39 comments. This article has the most traffic this site has gotten in years. Not to mention 99.9 percent of comments are negative. The defenders of this stupid article are the ones that cant scrape enough people. YOU LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thank god lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very funny! His next article should be titled "The Tooth Fairy: Straight or Bisexual?"
ignorance breeds ignorance, that said the funniest part of this entire article are the google ads to the right! you go google! you have just earned my loyalty for life.
So if God considers gays and abomination, that's His business. Who appointed any human to persecute them in His name. Doesn't he warn us, "Judge not that you be not judged.?"And where did this idea of AN Antichrist come from? There are many antichrists as Paul says. Most of them preaching from pulpits every Sunday or listening from the pews. Thank God I don't have to sit there listening to the same unscriptural hatred. I can always be present in the only true Christian church, the one in the heavens.
Well I guess it looks like there are less than 1000 gay promoting, non God believing out there. Even a lot less if you look at the IP address and see it's just a small group spewing their hate. In America you can still disagree with gay lifestyle for now and only get a few comments. Thank God.
I should be the judge?Ok... I judge that the antichrist will never appear in a single personified form, and is an abstract concept, and therefore will not be a homosexual.I also judge that humans with homosexual tendencies deserve respect to the same degree as humans with heterosexual tendencies.I have cast my judgment.
In the 21st Century, one would expect fewer people making decisions based on supernatural events and mythological writings.Sadly, such is not the case.
I great example of christianity and religion personifying it's evil nature. Religion = evil, nothing good has ever come out if religion.Every time some religious fundamentalist bangs on about homosexuality I cant help but think they are repressed homosexuals themselves!
For what little it is worth, the "desire of women" that is referred to in the book of Daniel, I have always understood to be in the objective genitive - look it up - namely, what women desire. The Public Enemy Number One the author was referring to, the Seleucid king, disrespected the fertility cultus that women turned to, to ensure pregnancy and safe delivery. He was his own people's worst enemy.And I thought a Baptist preacher would respect his own Holy Writings. Gee what a doofus I am!
Some valid points, Ron. The very fact that so many sinners are here and up in arms completely verifies the fact that so insecure in their lifestyle are they that they spew vile speech and curses towards you for what appears to be nothing more than a "point to ponder". My own article regarding the homos was similarly recieved, of course; thankfully most of these ungodly and lost Sodomites live in places like Vermont or California. Although I cannot say that I agree 100% with your theoriy, it still gives much food for thought.
Interesting isn't it; mention homosexuality and the world comes out against you. Even Christians don't consider the Biblical evidence. If you had sad the Antichrist would be an adulterer, liar or prostitute, how many of these people would have bothered writing.The rhetoric of the homosexual activist has certainly been effective - but that is all it is, rhetoric.Only 1.2% of people identify as homosexual in Australia and the US would be no different. There is no evidence anyone is "born' gay and there is plenty of evidence that homosexuals can repent, change and be saved.
Fear of the unknown is what drives insecure people to this myth, something that they can point a finger to as their crutch for behavior. God never intended to place fear in your life, what a waste of your daily lives to fear someone written about in a book. Scary that your daily decisions and living isn't your own that you always have to rely on a EXCUSE for your life, that it is a belief and not fact that you are you or why you exist. If God created, why did he abandon?
I don't think I require moral instruction from a fable that sees nothing wrong with offering your virgin daughters up to be gang raped by a mob or that seemingly sees nothing wrong with drunken incest. Does the author really think this tale a suitable one to guide sexual morality ?Really, this cleric is madder than a bag of very mad ferrets imported from Madferretstan. . .
I am a woman who has sex with women. I'm going to laugh when I go to heaven, and not H E L L , for loving who I love and not fearing to be myself. That is the true sin; hiding who you are and being afraid of your world and the people in it so much that you can't be honest with yourself and your loved ones.
Maybe the antichrist is Ron Hammon. After all, it would be to his advantage to throw people off the trail by pointing his finger of judgement towards gay people instead. This article is sheer stupidity and gay-bashing. The word "homosexual" isn't a revision of the word "sodomy." It is a modern word relating to our understanding of sexuality. "Homosexuality" is an inherent sexual orientation just like heterosexuality or bisexuality. "Sodomy" on the other hand is a sex act that even heterosexuals can (and some do) engage in. Do not be fooled by this charlatan into hating God's gay children.
I totally agree with your viewpoints on God's view of homosexuality. It is the sin you describe. As to the matter of whether the Antichrist will be a homosexual does it really matter? He will be what he will be and there is nothing we can do to change anything about that. The greater focus should be on your stand with God not on anyone else's. You are responsible for your actions's and noone else's. Remove the beam in your own eye before you remove the splinter than is in your brother's.Death is only the beginning.
Where can I place my bets for "there never will be an anti-christ and there never was a christ"?How is it even possible that this bronze age myth is still cycling around our culture like a tornado? Wrecking everything it touches.
YOUR God is a forgiving God so what are you afraid of? Sinners will all be forgiven -- Seek and ye shall find.Every Bible thumper, man of cloth all minister from THEIR OWN interpretation of the Bible. It's kind like here are the ten commandments BUT....
You are truly an ignorant, vile excuse for a human being. I'm gay and guess what? More people respect and love me than they do you. Do you really you are so truly insipid that you thought Mike Malloy was one of your own? Do you even realize you were taken for a ride and were the center of a joke? Here's a thought: Jesus Christ was a homosexual. Choke on it.
There is no better demonstration of the dangers of delusional religious beliefs and what they do to people's minds than when 'god-fearing' zealots like Ron Hamman spout this kind of nasty, vicious, spiteful, santimonious hate-mongering.FACTS:1. God does not exist.2. The Devil does not existl.3. The REAL reason all religions condemn homosexuality is that it threatens their aim of achieving dominance over rival religions through having its followers OUTBREED theirs. All the religious 'justifications' for homophobia are just attempts to conceal this basic truth.4. You, Ron Hamman, are an idiot.
This article did not make sense. It was very inflammatory and sensationalistic as well as disturbing. The article seems to be the product of a very disordered, perverted, and unbalanced mind. The argument made an appeal to the emotions in the worst sense of the word. I wholly reject the article. It presents a dishonest and false argument, and panders to base ignorance and hated.To think that this sick drivel is the product of a communty church is both sad and revolting.
Regardless of what any person says, what matters is what God says. The bible, which is God's revealed word, condemns homosexuals and that type of behavior, also condemns fornication as well. You can believe what you want, God gave you free will and choice to do as you please, but He will judge according to His Word, that is His promise. You speak of love, God says if you love Me, you'll keep My commandments. God hates sin and He says as long as they stay in sin, they have no place in Heaven.
OK, so you really believe all that mythology! You should really start reading about where the Bible came from and study the history of ancient religions. Although, it might not be great idea regarding job security. Some 20 dieties were born of a virgin, called the Good Shepherd, Lamb of God, had deciples, turned water to wine, were killed and rose 3 days later...the list goes on. It's all based on astrology and our ancestors' strong ties to the stars and consetllations. Peace and Love...the unconditional, non-judgmental kind, not the God hates gay folks
What rubbish!
"Will the Antichrist be a homosexual?""Could Batman beat up Spiderman?""Who is stronger? Herules or 'The Rock' from the Fantastic Four?""How long does it really take for Superman to fly from Earth to Krypton?"I think the only thing that is clear from these sorts of idiotic questions is that Ron Hamman is certainly a ignorant, hateful, clown-face. And quite possibly closet homosexual.
Stop interpreting the Bible, the Torah, the Qur'an as you wish. They're history books, nothing else. I stopped believing in Santa Claus many years ago too... please people wake up! Even Jesus's message was clear: love God, love thy neighbor, love thy enemy. Stop pointing what other people must or mustn't do and start living in harmony with everybody. The funny thing is that these fundamentalist Christians are as bad or worse as the Islamic extremists they criticize, but they just can't see it. Some quote the Qu'ran, the others quote the Bible. Sad!
Having an opinion is good, but taking God's word out of context is not. Daniel 11 is not speaking about homosexuality. It is very dangerous to misrepresent God.
Daniel, chapter 11 appears to be a history of 3rd-2nd century kingdoms in the Middle East, not the coming of the Anti-christ. The figure discussed is Antiochus IV, an Egyptian king.Further, in the New American Bible, the full verse reads "He shall have no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one in whom women delight; for no god shall he have regard, because he shall make himself greater than all." The NIV has a similar translation. The verse probably describes Antiochus' rejection of a power above himself, not his homosexuality.
This type of fear mongering is part of what is driving people away from organized religion these days. Leave the judging to God and let the rest of humanity stay out of it. God is the Higher Power here, I think that if he didn't want something to exist, he'd remove it without our help. I think that if religions focused more on what's right in the world rather than what's percieved to be wrong with it, everyone would be better off.
Well I guess this clears up that whole "Obama is the antichrist" business! The tragic thing about those claims and views like those expressed in this column is that they incite hatred and serve as a call to action for wingnuts on the fringe of society. And to think they're made in the name of Christianity!
I think anticristus has write this "religion view".
“Finding that no religion is based on facts and cannot therefore be true, I began to reflect what must be the condition of mankind trained from infancy to believe in errors.”-- Robert Owen, Evidences of Christianity: A Debate with Alexander Campbell and Robert Owen (published 1829)
I've been a Christian for over three decades. The sad thing about authors like this and their followers is that they will consider over 800 responses as a sign that they are being persecuted - which fits into their dispensational theology - and will look at the negative comments as a badge of honor. What a shame these people don't have "ears to hear." There are many Christians who are saddened by what has happened here.
This is almost the dumbest thing I've ever seen. And I've seen rather stupid things.
You must have hit a nerve. 800+ comments and counting. I've never seen so many. I agree with much but also have to point out you make some assumptions/concusions not verified by the Bible. I doubt that the demise of Sodom is God's only time He comes down Him self. Homosexuality, denying ones gender as the greatest sin is not verifiable biblically. It is a biggie though, got that right. Sodom is mentioned in the Bood of Rev. though. Which is food for thought on this idea you're pondering.
As a homosexual, in these times of economic crisis and unemployment, I would like to know how does one apply to become an antichrist? Is there an address where CVs can be sent to?Being a jew as well makes me rather optimistic about being short-listed. After all one of our boys made quite a career in the religion industry...
So _this_ is the religious environment Sarah Palin grew up in...I have never been so thankful that Obama won the election.
Won't the Anti-Christ have more important things to worry about than who he's going to sleep with - you know, buying our souls, orchestrating evil, famine, war and pestilence, etc?
Lets see... God let Mao, Stalin, and Hitler kill 29 million people. God let 600,000 die in the civil war and another 600,000 die in Viet Nam. God let "W" kill over 125,000 Iraqis and Americans. God lets 350,000 people kill themselves with tobacco each year. God just recently smited an Air France jet killing 228 people...or not. God is a human tool. We worship an emasculated God that neither harms nor heals. People kill with wars, ignorance, greed, and pride. People heal with peace, learning, generosity, and humility. Our salvation is in our steadfastness to love only.
This op-ed is just about the dumbest thing I have ever read.
At first I was offended by your posting thinking you were comparing "furries" to gays--but then realized you were, of course, comparing them to Fundamentalist perverts.Who knows how long? Their misbehavior seemingly has no bounds and no end.
I just saw an article in the news today, where a guy in Washington was arrested for having sex with his dogs. Apparently there is a group out there who call themselves "FURRIES" and they actually put on some sort of costume to have sex with animals.(ears and tail etc.) I wonder how long it will be before those practicing the FURRY lifestyle will demand to be recognized as legitimate. FURRIES"! Just when you think you have seen everything, a new group of perverts emerges.
Congratulations on getting more traffic on this article than you've gotten in your entire history combined.
I wonder if we were to poll christians who read this paper, how many practice sodomy with their wives? hmmm interesting... laughs at the hypocrisy
This is in our paper? are you KIDDING ME??? where is other religious viewpoints??????????????????? Where is news of world religions? I can't believe that this one sided column exists... my mouth is still hanging to the floor. This is enough to make me boycott this paper... ridiculous
This is ridiculous. I dont believe in the infallibility of the Bible, but for those of you who do you may want to brush up on the Bible in it's entirety, particularly Ezekiel 16 focusing on verse 49. It basically debases your entire argument. That was fun...and so easy.Dont you have anything better to do than make hateful apocalyptic predictions? Like loving people?“Understanding a person does not mean condoning; it only means that one does not accuse him as if one were God or a judge placed above him." Oh, and guess what, you're not God.
I didn't know Bill O'Reilly was homosexual, but if he is, then yes, the Anti-Christ IS a homosexual.
Christians, when will you develop the courage to denounce the bigots in your midst?
Ron Hamman seem obsessed with hating homosexuals. I hope everyone understands that this is his way of lashing out against his own private homosexual impulses. That is what this is all about and what he really hates. Think Ted Haggard. That is the norm for these wackos.
I think we'll have to adopt a "wait-and-see" attitude.All of the Antichrist candidates I know of are heterosexual.
Even though the hundreds of other people commenting have pretty much nailed this issue down, I just wanted to again point out that the "anti-christ" is supposed to take power with the approval of most of mankind. And because of bigoted Baptist dudes, that's pretty unlikely in today's climate of injustice and intolerance, don't you think?
Thank you for all these comments. This gives the faith back that Americans are not only prudish, bigott and that even "the stupid Americans" as we see them often in Europe are sometimes not accepting every mess.. :-)
The shockingly convenient interpretation that you take of the Bible is ridiclous. The actual quote from Daniel 11:37 - "He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all." So now, since certain words are inconvenient to your analysis, they will be replaced by ellipses?? And people wonder why we are becoming less religious as a nation, it's mainly because of bigoted idiots like you who aren't even honest about the words of the Lord.
Pastor, your article would receive a failing grade in most Intro to Literature classes. The content is not new of course as it is what we have come to expect from the religious .Your style however, well it's just painful. You force your reader to struggle past failed reasoning, assumptions and rhetorical silliness in order to discern your bigoted message. Please have any average high school student check your next article for coherence.
I feel bad for people who try to live by a literal understanding of the Bible -- it is the most mixed-up, convoluted, contradictory pile of myth! Jesus hung out with lepers, prostitutes, money-lenders, and other outcasts and losers of his society. His message was to treat others as you would like to be treated. I could care less who you are sleeping with -- why would you care who I am sleeping with?
Sir, there are far greater worries in the world than the private lives of individuals. Homosexuality has existed in about the same proportions throughout human history as it does today -- and in about the same ratio of gay-to-straight as left handed-to-right handed people. Are you going to say now that being left-handed is a sign of the devil?
"And that Lot himself understood their intentions is clear; not only did he call such behavior wicked, but he also offered his virgin daughters as substitutes, which the men of Sodom refused."And the Lord said unto Lot: Bless thee for offering your daughters to be raped.
Funny that a pastor should play so fast and loose with the words he claims to worship. Compassion is what's needed here, though, not scorn. Ignorance can only be fought through the patient and sometimes painstakingly slow sharing of wisdom, not anger.
Everyone thinks that being gay is something you DO. Ok. You don't love your wives. you just have sex with them. that makes you str8. no feelings. how ridiculous. are you a drunk if you're stranded on a desert island with you beer. are you gay if you long for but never touch another man? I like how all of this morality is black and white. No depth. no conversation. no chance to be heard from a different angle, or to accept another opinion, how sofphmoric.
I'm glad to know that the Lord came down from the heavens only to smite the sodomites. That leaves axe murderers, hetero child rapists , KKK holdovers, and lots of other fun people free to pursue their interests without worry.Lev 18 and in Lev 20 mention that sodos will be put to death. By whose hand? Is Tom (who chimed in early in this thread) gonna do it? Sure ain't gonna be his/my Lord. Why would He, when He didn't knock off Hitler or Mugabe when they were doing their best work? Buggery: small potatoes compared to those two.
I can not let this article go unanwered, because it promotes hatred of gay people. Would Jesus himself, since it was not written that he desired women, be considered an antiChrist? Since many of the books of the Bible were written in Aramaic, and in the context of family values 2000 years ago, can anyone who does NOT speak Aramaic be sure that they understand all of the meanings of Biblical literature? The word sodomy means forced sex, or rape. Mutual love (whether gay or straight) is NOT rape! Love is a force for good.
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Lisnup rev, asexual people have no desire for either sex. Why assume the bible wasn't alluding to an asexual? Were you just in a hurry to hate gays? Sure sounds like it.
Just because the bible has “Neither shall he [Antichrist] regard... the desire of women....” means the antichrist is homosexual. The anitchrist may have a hatred for homosexuals as well as no desire for women. Being branded a homosexual just because of the lack of desire for women may be the trigger that breeds the antichrist.
This past year of Media attention sure has made me feel embarrassed to live in Wasilla. 2007/2008 was the first year I physically worked in Wasilla, and it definitely gave me a new appreciation of the term "White Trash." The media coverage of the 2008/2009 year has re-validated the terminology meaning for me. At first (in 2007/08) I was wondering if my perceptions were correct, but now I know they were spot on! How embarrassing! Anybody want to buy a house? I'm ready to move!
Drivel of this kind is the number one clue that the author is partaking in copious amounts of Methamphetamine and "Sodomy". The old biblical adage, "he who smelt it, dealt it", usually rings true; this case being no exception.
God set that rule - take it up with Him.
Really? The Frontiersman has nothing else to print besides hate speech wrapped up in some kind of nonsensical, paranoid, homophobic rant? How embarrassing.I guess gay is the new black.I'll write you an opinion piece about the future of gay civil rights for free, to prevent more of this nonsense from ever taking up print space in your paper again.
As a Christian, I'm horribly embarrassed by this article. It's no wonder with the hate fueled drivel coming from the "church" these days that people are turning their back on organized religion in droves.One of my favorite quotes:"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."-Mohandas Gandhi
So if I have this right. you're arguing that because Satan should out to be gay, all gays can be mocked, harmed and deprived of rights!I like religion now, It's so dumb I can get words to mean anything I like.
It's amazing. Folks like this will scream blue murder about the 'Gubmint' stepping on individual rights, but don't want Gays to have the same rights as Straight people. Using a book written thousands of years ago by a group of desert nomads more concerned about having a first born son then their wives for your moral code is just dumb. Here's a moral code to live by - don't be a jerk to other people.
II feel sad for people who so vehemently scream their beliefs, particularly beliefs that claim absolute knowledge of the unknowable. Even moreso when they condemn everyone who doesn't share their beliefs. What a waste of time and energy. They could be feeding the hungry or clothing the poor.
Lame!
This is truly the most syllogistic piece of nonsense I have ever had the pleasure of reading. Thank you. I never laughed so hard.
Please don't pack up just yet. I've heard my share of inappropriate, bigoted, and plain old hateful remarks in Wasilla (and elsewhere), too, but there are also many good and thoughtful people, as shown by the bulk of comments made before this article went viral as well as afterward. All of us need to speak out immediately when we hear and see things that are offensive, and your voice is needed in that effort as well. Hang in there, neighbor.
Dude you forgot some of my favsLev25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations.Lev15: 19 When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till eveningLev: 10 all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination
You seem to hark on the fact that homosexuality was THE ONE time GOD came down from heaven to pass his immediate judgement. This central theory to your article seems to contradict my understanding of the bible. As a point of reference:Genesis 19:13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.Sounds like the LORD sent his angels in.
This past year of Media attention sure has made me feel embarrassed to live in Wasilla. 2007/2008 was the first year I physically worked in Wasilla, and it definitely gave me a new appreciation of the term "White Trash." The media coverage of the 2008/2009 year has re-validated the terminology meaning for me. At first (in 2007/08) I was wondering if my perceptions were correct, but now I know they were spot on! How embarrassing! Anybody want to buy a house? I'm ready to move!
Here in Alaska, I would be more fearful of the pedophiles (in numbers) then the Anti-Christ. After pedophiles we have state government officials, priest, teachers. I've wondered, is the Bible fiction or non-fiction? Roll the credits
It must be humiliating for Reverend Hamman to know that the fuller force of responders here--including fellow clergy--are not writing in support of him. I don't feel sorry for him--he needs a wake-up call. Stop spreading hate and ignorance, reverend--then you may generate some respect and credibility.
You can be a homasexual without practising SODOMY...
You disguise your hate and bigotry in the veil of a crusade for God, but, even according to your beliefs , you contradict him. Romans 2:1 "Therefore you have no excuse, whoever you are, when you judge others; for in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you that judge are doing the very same sort of sinful things."John 8:7 "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Wow ... I know i'm supposed to fear the gay now but somehow I fear christianity. Wonder why?
For an old book written by some weird guys, you sure take the Bible very seriously.Why?
Personally, I have seen no positive without-a-doubt reason to believe there is some guy representing the image of Santa Clause sitting on a cloud watching over us.With that said, if by some odd turn of events, the bible turns out to be more than mere fiction and heaven and h-e-l-l meet on earth for the "last days", the devil will be none other than Christians themselves.
Dude... I am totally straight.
Even Jesus thinks you are ignorant and idiotic. And Americans wonder why we are global laughingstocks?
"And at what other time have we seen such perversion come out of the closets onto our streets, threatening violence if we do not accept their ways?"Excuse me? I'm noticing a distinct LACK of people threatening violence if homosexuality isn't accepted.In fact, it's quite the opposite. Close-minded fundamentalist bigots who are violent towards homosexuals.
That wicked man who called you, a Decent American, from a Godless radio program here in Georgia must love GAYS and SATAN and just proves it by the vile demon tongue he was too cowerdly to use while trying to fool Christians and Decent NOT gay folk which I am sure he is NOT.
Dear lord, please save us from your followers!
I don't get it. Hamman is given space in your paper to attack gays and you won't post what has been obvious to all gay Alaskans for at least a decade--the Baptists are the worst enemy of LGBT people in Alaska.
I bumped into the antichrist this weekend. He wanted directions to Wasilla. I pointed North. He was walking, so you have some time.
Besides this article being, at the same time, both pointless and groundless speculation, the author's unrealistic conception of homosexuals is somewhat disturbing. To say that gays threaten violence if we "do not accept their ways" is, at best, uninformed or, at worst, deceitful. Ron Hammon's beliefs about the homosexual community seem to be more influenced by his views on the morality of homosexuality rather than by reality.
For those who care to know, the anti-Christ as described in Revelation is a clear reference to Nero and there is now some evidence that Nero liked males, so the writer was telling us something about Caesar. Some people think that quoting the Bible solves an issue. It doesn't. Sometimes the Bible gets it wrong. It is wrong on the issue of slavery. Portions of it are wrong on the role of women. So it doesn't shock me that it might be wrong on sexuality, homo or otherwise.
Along with near-total rhetorical incoherence, the author of this piece consistently fails to write grammatical sentences. This is the sort of thing to expect from idiots given power by a rapidly obsolescing belief system.
The lack of genuine substance and truth is once again proven by the deperate and blantant rhetoric of christians by their actions, responses and ideology. It is no wonder that the youth of America are leaving the false draconian dogmatic institutions of liars, distorters and deniers of love, peace and hope.
" It amazes me if a Christian speaks the Word, he/she is called a hater and a non-loving gay-basher but when a homosexual "preaches" - Christians are told we are to be "tolerant" When you quote lev 20:13 you are a hater (Lev 20: 13 man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. your saying you want people executed for being gay how am I suppose to respond ?
This man has got to be a closeted Homosexual, he is entirely fixated. I suggest he get out of the closet and make peace with himself
I'm concerned that the Antichrist will *make* me gay.
EPIC FAIL!!! who is ANYone to judge? NO ONE is in a position to judge anyone else!Let "he" who is without sin cast the first stone..... EPIC EPIC FAIL
You can "prove" anything by cherry-picking the bible, including that some pastors are idiots.
Keep on rolling and thumping those bible? I need a good laugh.
Hysterical what passes for journalism in backwards towns like Wasilla. Ill-informed followers of a 3,000 year old Jewish Zombie are unstrapping their drool buckets all over town, fixin to go out and look fer suspicious, homo-like behavior . . . until they remember they still have a dime of meth left over from Saturday night and lose track of their mission while setting up the TV tray.
Nothing like a religious leader to bring out the fear and hatred in people.You go Ron! Keep them scared, mad and angry! Team work baby!Luci
No surprises that Alaska thinks this...after all it is Palin country.They say the Christian faith will become a minority in a few decades and people will wake up and realize that there is no big man wearing a robe in the sky.Thank you Jesus!
It's obvious. Mr. Hammon is a homosexual. Hence, the AntiChrist is in Wasilla with Ms. AntiChrist (the almost Vice).
Congratulations, Mr. Hamman, you have shown your bigotry, hatred, and flat-out stupidity to the world. One day, not too far in the future, you will be looking for help from someone, or you will be looking for a job, and this article full of vile hatred and putrid idiocy will show up in a Google search...and you'll be out of luck.And to the publishers of the Frontiersman: the same goes for you, for publishing this monstrous pile of BS.
Life is just a blink of the eye in Gods time but on judgement day the pit of fire is forever, every body will bow on there knees to Jesus.
I always am impressed with the example of Lot as a Biblical model of fatherhood, given how, after the... um, Sodomites of Sodom turned down his offer to pimp out his daughters, he then skips town, proceeding to "know" them himself well enough to father Moab and Benammi. (Gen. 19:8-9, 12-23, 33-38) And the "too drunk to know what the was doing" argument wouldn't hold up in any court of law I'm aware of. Real classy.
Lets remember that after God destroyed Sodom, there were only 3 survivors. Lot, and his two daughters. What did they do? Well, the two daughters got their dad drunk and had sex with him and had his babies. So I am supposed to assume homosexuality is evil because of a story that has absolutely no problem with 2 daughters have drunken incest sex with their dad and bearing his incest babies?
How come Jesus never married, and ran around with a group of single men?
I will surely keep Hamman in my prayers. This world needs more compassion than finger pointing. This, coming from a son of a Lutheran minister that happens to be gay.I usually take note that people who reject homosexuality with such a vehemence usually have issues with their own.Love thyself Hammon. Accept thyself!
Silly Bugger!
You're pathetic. Pathetic. Quit using mythology to justify your disgusting, pathetic bigotry.Did someone pay you money to write this? You owe them a refund.
@SadYeah you are sad all right when you think that America consists only of right wing biggots like yourself.
Your article claims god came down to VERIFY that sodomy was being practiced in Sodom. I thought god knew everything? Why would he need to verify?
I'm not sure what's worse--the fact that something like this was written, or that a newspaper decided to print it.
What does God want with a starship?
It's obvious to me that the extreme cold has frozen more than a few brains up there. It's terribly sad that many have not progressed beyond the words of ancient homophobes and rely on their superstitions and fantasies for guidance.
If God allows us to be born deaf, blind or disfigured, why do Christians insist that he doesn't allow us to be born gay??? Gay is not a choice; its naturally occurring, so if God hates gay people and in turn, wants us to hate them too, why did he make so many of them?! The author is a fear mongering, hate perpetuating, fact picking religious zealot.
This is ridiculous. The bible is a joke. There is no god, and anyone who cares to otherwise needs to get an education, and open their eyes to the multiple religions that have plagued this earth for centuries. When will people open their eyes and realize how silly this whole god/jesus/mohammad junk is.
Pastor Hamman is right! I am shocked by the response and the overwhelming hatred coming out of the ungodly. I despise what current America stands for, I hate what it supports, I detest its ways, I am opposed to its worldview, I abhor its entertainments, I am repulsed by the false gospel it preaches, I have vomited its Television shows, sitcoms and movies, I have nothing to do with the people who defend and support this version of the US. I have left it as a result. Rev. 17 and 18 tell us why God will destroy it.
good god, why on earth did i continue reading after i saw this was from Wasilly? will i ever learn?
Completely fallacious reasoning-- having no regard for women does not necessarily entail homosexuality-- it could possibly mean asexuality or homosexuality. So when you think the bad magic man comes, be sure to round up everyone with low libidos along with homosexuals.
"there is no greater way to reject the Creator than to reject your gender and his design for it." - My guess, which holds about as much credibility as yours, would be someone that has had a boob job, lips injected, nose job, calf implants, or maybe even someone who has had 8 fertilized eggs sugically implanted into them. hhhmmm...
Finally, you right wing religous zealots have finally given us gays credit for something! Thank you, i guess.
Just more proof what a bunch of wack-jobs you fundies are. Thanks for the laughs!
The anti christ will be straight after all the the majority of crime murder, rape, terrorism, child molestation?abuse ect.. are done by heterosexuals, not to mention all the wars you cause. Heterosexual are not morally superior because they are straight if that were true the world would be perfect, and its not. Straight people need to stop blaming all the worlds problems on gay people and maybe look in a mirror
My sides are still aching from laughing at this twaddle. I'm sharing the insanity with all my friends so they can laugh too.
Of course I believe, and you all must realize that you have to put your tooth UNDER the pillow if you hope to get a treat from the Tooth Fairy. Hah, superstition cracks me up!
Does a newspaper seriously believe that printing this kind of tripe is worthy? Does it want to be taken seriously? Obviously not, if this is the level of "thought" you believe the public wants to read. Judging by your comments, apparently your readership disagrees. I can only assume whoever the little wizard is behind the curtain over there is a flaming fundamentalist. Don't you people understand that your party is over? Nobody is interested in your psychotic ravings anymore.
I thought sodomy was the opposite of sin? What do I know!
Some background: Tthe so-called "Sin of Sodom" is never explicitly stated in the Bible. Hebrew tradition, interestingly enough, has long held that that city's great moral failing was to fail to feed its poor. Equating Sodom with homosexual behavior came well into the Christian Era. Homosexuality as a word and to some extent as a concept came into being during the second half of the 19th century amid a flurry of efforts to "define" and "list" and "categorize" virtually everything.
The Baptists are the worst enemies of gays in Alaska, as this piece demonstrates.
It's not surprising that this story was published in the hometown of Sarah Palin. Thank God that woman is not vice president, and these kinds of views can stay in a one horse town in Alaska - not in Washington
Thanks Ron, for reminding me what a huge waste of time it is to go to church. There, I can find a bunch of closed minded, low grade morons, all assembled in one place.
After reading this article, I thought to myself, who could the Homosexual Antichrist be? Perhaps it is Nathan Lane!! But then I remembered another passage from The Bible, Second Kings, Chapter Two, verses 23 and 24 where God summons some female bears to execute 42 children for making fun of a bald guy. God obviously thinks that children, especially ones that speak, are an abomination and must be murdered. Therefor, the Antichrist must not only be Homosexual but must also be a child who makes fun of bald people.Praise!
While patiotism may be the last refuge of a scoundrel, religion is the last refuge of a hypocrite.
You outwardly hate those things which you find detestable within yourself. Instead of striking out, why not deal with that which is within? Then you can be a good example.
This narrow-minded bigoted rant is the reason why millions of Americans have abandoned churches. Thanks to the Internet, people from all over the world are seeing this exercise in stupidity and are laughing at how gullible and dumb Americans are.
Why are Christians so preoccupied with judging and punishing?
Ah. An opportunity to see the local superstitions practiced by the villagers.Seriously, don't you guys get tired of looking stupid? And I thought "Wasilla Hillbillies" was overstating things!
Ezekiel 16:49-50Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom,pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
Wait, it's okay to offer your virgin daughters to strangers to have sex with, but not to have sex with someone you love? And having sex is the "natural use for women"? Now, THAT's offensive. Also, does that mean that the Bible encourages lesbianism?
Brilliant way to get your circulation up. Jesus is about love.I can't judge but am happy to allow God to and I believe God will forgive you.
"Ron Hamman is pastor for Independent Baptist Church of Wasilla. Contact him at 357-4229. "Perhaps someone can print out these comments and stick them on the door of his church. It might open some eyes to see how they are listening to the words of a hater and a fool...
will the antichrist be a homosexual? it's definitely a question. as is 'is ron hamman a homosexual?' it's the wives i feel sorry for...
No doubt you came up with this hilarious ideas the day you ran out of Crystal Meth...
To Pam: Do I see the sort of "end times" signs you describe? Sure I do: today and in every period of recorded human history. Blow the dust off your Bible and read how the Old Testament prophets were always warning sinners to change their ways. There's really nothing new about the sins that are committed today.
As a straight Christian, this article and this "pastor" makes me want to vomit. I thought this was a joke in the beginning but after reading further, I realized this "guy" is serious. He is serious...seriously deluded. Get help "Pastor". Bigotry has no place in the 21st century nor in Christianity.
Wow. Since your comments/interpretations are so anti-christian, perhaps the anti-christ is already here in the form of a pastor from Wasilla.
I love you for you are my child. I sent my son to die on the cross for you. And you distort my teachings in My name? I still love you, but gee gollly, I didn't mean to make humanity so stupid.
Homosexuality is genetic. Evolution is a fact.Once religious people get past these two barriers in their thinking they may experience a rise in the numbers of their congregations.Intelligent people will have no part of it.
Mr. Hammon, how does it feel to know so many people think you're an ignorant bigoted idiot?
(Genesis 38:9) - "And Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so it came about that when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground, in order not to give offspring to his brother."God smote him for that act. One could say that this was God intervening, discrediting your statement that Sodom was God's only retaliatory act for sin. The 100 words allotted for comments aren't enough to counter your argument point by point, but it's horridly flawed.
Did Hammon go to divinity school, or was there an opening for a pastor so they just hired the most judgmental person it town?
It takes a lot of learning to be so ignorant.
You're basing his entire claim on a misreading of a single verse taken out of context. Just like every other anti-gay right wing Christian preacher.How about you try preaching love, social justice, respect for all human life and dignity, and responsibility for the impoverished and the unfortunate.There are over 300 bible verses about social justice and the injustice of poverty. There are less than 10 regarding homosexuality. Which would you conclude is more important?
You're asking me to be the judge?But Christ told me not to judge! What am I supposed to do when Christ tells me one thing and a pastor tells me another? I'm torn so torn! No I think I'll stick with Christ on this one.
Noted: when Christ returns, I can tell him apart from the devious and tricky Antichrist because he won't be the one hitting on other guys. Cool, got it.
The "Antichrist" will not be a single entity. The Antichrist will be all of you, not only the deviants in sexual orientation, but the divorcees, the adulterers, you who spread hate, fail to assist the poor, support unjust wars, hypocritically judge, and selectively apply religious principles for your own purposes. The amalgamation of all of your sins will be our downfall. Acting as you do, you are rejecting Christ. False words of love of Christ and acceptance of his forgiveness will not save you when your actions are to the contrary. You have no right to judge.
Did Ron Hamman go to divinity school? Does he have any religious or theological education? I think he needs to take a class on exegesis, then he'd know not to take select bible quotes out of context to support his argument. I think I may have a more extensive religious education than Mr. Hamman just from high school religion classes and two college courses. It sounds like he hasn't even read the bible through, and doesn't know HOW to read the bible correctly.I strongly suggest he go seek further education lest he embarrass himself and those around him.
To the reverend and the other hatemongering bigots who live to spew this hate:You will lose. Equality for GLBT people WILL come. Deal with it.
Next week will you write about how the Antichrist is black? Or will you be picking another minority? Will the Antichrist will be a single mother? A Muslim? Or maybe you'll write about how he is a Democrat?
Really?"Sodomy is the only sin for which God came down from heaven to destroy. Though God dealt with many other sins in various ways, there is no other for which he came down from heaven to verify and destroy."How about"[...] the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth [...] So the Lord said, 'I will blot out man whom I have created from the world" Genesis 6:5-7Certainly a pastor has heard the story of Noah's Ark?
Whatever it is you are smoking, can I have some?
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians, they are SO UNLIKE your Christ." -- Mohandas K Gandhi
At what point will the sky be falling?
Are the staff at this newspaper insane?Not only is it unbelievable that a "writer" (scare quotesfully indended) would find a newspaper anywhere outside of Iran to print this hate speech fantasy, I'm flabbergasted that an editor-- an editor! (or I should say, "editor") agreed to put this maligant tripe in print.This is a newspaper? In which century? Have we traveled back in time to the Dark Ages?Coming next week: an editorial on witch burning.This is one newspaper that obviously deserves to die.
Some day, in the not too distant future, this kind of writing will be viewed as the hate speech that it is. If this wing-nuttery passes for news in Alaska, I thank the spaghetti monster I don't live there.
Having read the Bible, I can place all the blame for leaving the church on that moldy old tome of violence and misogyny.I sincerely hope all you "Bible Believers" join the 21st century, and leave behind the hatred you're all currently preaching.
Your story has gone viral for the world to see how closeminded chirstians really think. Congrats. Dugg and Fail.
Nope. You totally are missing the point of Christianity dude. I love you anyway.Love, Jesus
to think that GOD, whom must be extremely intelligent in a way that we could not possibly understand, would be sooooooo stupid as to define sodomy as the worst offense to humanity. Not all the murders and horrible deceptions caused by humanity, but the goofy thrill of our naked sexuality. what an odd interpretation of G.O.D i guess everyone gets the G.O.D. they deserve!
duh. just duh.
Some of the interpretations to the above scripture are such a stretch I couldn't even follow them. 1) Sodom and Gomorrah was not the only time God Destroyed large populations. 2) Gay does not mean that every man young and old in the city wants to rape a stranger. The New testament shows a dramatic evolution from a God "that loves the smell of the burning flesh of sacrificial animals," to the number one rule, "treat others like you want to be treated." The hardest rule of all but we continue to evolve.
Here's an ancient mirror. Take a look. Do you see our society reflected here? 1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power.2 Timothy 3Our society=self-righteous nonreligious people who are "smarter than God."
Remember, don't judge others for there goes "I".While we judge our brother, that hate eats us alive and prevents us from living in compassion and love.
I honestly thought this was a joke article when I first clicked on it...now that I know it's not I am sad for humanity.If this is the "common sense" from Wasilla Main Street...let's keep it there.
the christians say GOD created all creatures,all life....
Why isn't the word L-U-S-T allowed in comments, yet it's in this article as plain as day?
Right-wing theologian Dr. Schaeffer warned that the anti-Christ would emerge from a Christian Cult and not a secular leader--that the anti-Christ would pose as representative of Christian values."Jesus said that towards the end-time there will be other Jesuses, He meant something like this. We must never forget that the great enemy who is coming is the anti-Christ. He is not the anti-non-Christ. He is anti-Christ.-Francis Schaeffer, Escape from Reason"
Sodom was destroyed because it lay beside a lake that leaked methane, which ignited and burned the city down. Archeologists have found generations of towns there that were destroyed because of this. If some nitwad wants to blame it on sin, fine. It was a natural disaster. As for homosexuality, I am always amazed at how people feel they can judge the works of God who created everyone in His own image. Good luck on thatl, judgers.
"But remember that sodomy is the one sin that God left heaven and came to earth to destroy. "Missed some. Sin still here.
This is clearly a joke. No real newspaper would print something this ridiculous. This is much better than The Onion!Extremely funny!
Without a doubt you have a right to your opinion. But it is an opinion only. The Bible has lots of parts that have been used but shrill soapbox folk to justify everything from the sanctioning of slavery to the evil of bacon.Your opinion however leads to the vilification and hate crimes against gay people. How would you explain your conduct to Jesus Christ? Is your conduct consistent with His message? I don't think so.Gay people are a reality. I don't think that the Lord wants us to usurp His judgement.
I would think The Anti-Christ could be anything, completely free of worldly sin, as long as it is anti Christ.I personally believe it will be an evil baby with huge snarly teeth.
I think it's interesting that the Frontiersman's spell-checker considers the very name of the former Vice-President so offensive that it cannot be printed.
Richard Cheney is a much better candidate for Anti-Christ than any gay person, although Karl Rove would make a good second choice. As (lying) "compassionate" "conservative" "born-again" "Christians" they brought disgrace on our great nation and have striven manfully to drag our nation and much of the rest of the world into economic chaos.Most Jews and Gentiles recognize that the evil for which Sodom and Gomorrah were punished was profound inhospitable behavior towards strangers, a sin the Old Testament condemned over and over. (FYI, homosexuality, bacon-cheeseburgers, & permanent press were all classed as abominations. Close MacDonald's!!)
Why did God fail in destroying homsexulaity if He is all powerful?
This entire religion fairy tale is too much, hey you otherwise intelligent folks, get a grip on the The Bible Fairy Tales and for the Homo part, too much all these baptist folks using their tax free Moolah to spread their fables based on fiction written centuries ago by goat herders, how silly you folks must feel to think climbing the beanstalk will get you to heaven.. haha.
If the idea of Christ is "personal salvation from original sin" than the idea of the Anti-Christ is "there is no such thing as sin so there is nothing to be saved from." The Anti-Christ will teach us not to fear our death and to live life to its fullest.This is not evil. This is a teaching which will liberate us from superstition and bigotry.
You, sir are nothing more than a pseudo-Christian who ignores the teachings of Jesus while merrily bearing false witness against his brother.
Ron, You got me. Not only am I busy plotting my takover, but on weekends I like to drink Sea Breezes and listen to Judy Garland. You'll me singing "Clang, clang, clang go the trolleys" while I brand your forehead with my pink barcode. Toodles, Mr. Anti-Christ Esq. P.S. Adam Lambert was robbed!
The Bible tells you to bash gays and not to eat shellfish, but we never hear Christians worrying about eating shellfish. This is because bashing gays is a lot more fun than not eating shellfish, isn't it? You just pick what is convenient.
Ugh.. What a crock of BS. Thankfully there is no antichrist
So the God of the Bible didn't visit ruin upon the Earth for other "sins" in the Noachian deluge? Nice thing to overlook there chief.Speculation? You might as well try to speculate on the nature of the next Dali Lama based on the writings of early 20th century science fiction authors. This is beyond regular speculation. It's self-indulgent garbage vomiting out of the mind of a person who has spent too much time wanting to believe in the patently unbelievable nonsense contained in the ramblings of bronze age shepherds that were codified by a bunch of theocrats. Lunacy.
Next week: will the Antichrist be left handed?
It's true. A man loving another man is the greatest sin ever.
Get the picture?Thank God we have freedom from religion. It will be quite a battle to keep them out of our government, but well worth it.Taliban anyone?
What kind of predator writes rubbish like this? A shaky Christain, that's who. Mr. Hammon sounds like a desperate sort who has too many personal issues to work through, but would rather escape into a dark world of fear and hate than face his own demons. His views could sanely be viewed as the proverbial cry for help. For everyone's sake--let's hope he gets it.
Imagine being a pastor and using the Bible to drive a hate war. Not the first, and not the last. You frail human, you need to stand down."Judge not less ye be judged."
As I look through all of these comments on this article by Pastor Hammon, I realize that so many Americans do not understand the Bible at all. Your eyes are veiled. You talk about Jesus as love and forgiving, but miss the point that he also judges. My suggestion to all people everywhere is to pick up a Bible and read it through and through... keep reading it. Perhaps God will help you understand it.
The world has been ending for thousands of years. The anti-Christ has been "speculated" upon more times than it's worth counting. He has never come.At some point being wrong over and over and over and over again means you are WRONG.
Will the Antichrist be a homosexual?An impossible question to answer, since there is no anti-christ.Since there are no facts in any religion, you can go on asking as many moronic questions as you like, but what's the point? There are no facts, so there is nothing to debate, whatever you may say.If there were facts, it wouldn't be a primitive religion, practised only by feeble minded halfwitted country bumpkins!This whole article is a pile of nonsensical mubo-jumbo, written by some mad fundamentalist nut, who believes in this medieval nonsense. Very scary, that anyone takes this seriously!
do you also preach against red lobster? since eating shellfish is bad? do you wear clothes of different fabrics AT THE SAME TIME? because you're not supposed to. pastor sit, you are why i left my religion. because i don't know about your "God" but mine wouldn't want me hating people. and you wonder why people are moving away from religion.
It's a good thing the Bible is fiction, or else this pastor would give us a lot to worry about!
Your fingers must be getting tired from posting so much. Isn't it a lot for the two of you to type so much? Watch out for carpel tunnel syndrom dude/ette. You won't be able to reach around anymore.
Jesus would not have approved of your bigotry and intolerance. You should be ashamed.
As a pastor, Mr. Hamman should know better than to selectively quote portions of bible verses(and omit words or phrases) to advance his bigoted agenda. I would also point out that his claims of "historical revisionism" as it pertains to the term homosexuality are wholly without any proof other than his own, misguided and biased opinion. This type of "teaching" actually speaks AGAINST many of the things detailed in the Gospels and the New Testament as a whole. Jesus did not discriminate against Mary Magdalene, so why is Hamman and others biased against gays and lesbians?
How seriously can I take the opinion of an alleged pastor who doesn't even know how to spell "predominant"?
The last bit of evidence to condemn Alaska as the dumbest state in the U.S.
ahhhh, fundies say the darndest things..., nothing says "united in christ" quite like a good old fashioned witch hunt
Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.-- Thomas JeffersonDown with Religion!
The Antichrist was Roman emperor NERO!It was a derogatory term used in place of his name for he was a very cruel emperor.It is ... fact ...
The fundamentalists are much more preoccupied with sex than any homosexuals I know. Why don't you people get out and get some fresh air, rather than demonizing anyone who doesn't see things your way? No wonder more people than ever before refuse to identify themselves as religious.
dezman,Usually speculations are based on facts.At least they are suppose to be.Even highly religious people are saying this has no basis. I'm all for freedom of speech, but i feel like journalist have a responsibility to actually research their topic properly.
Is it hard to keep track of all your imaginary friends/enemies?
Umm, it literally took me 2 seconds to Wikipedia the etymology of "homosexual." Here are the facts for our author.First used in print in 1869 to argue against an anti-sodomy law it is derived from Greek and Latin: homo - Gr. prefix meaning same, sexus - Lt. meaning gender. I can think of hundreds of words that aren't in the first Webster dictionary that only an idiot would call revisionist. Ever used the word pandemonium? Probably, but without knowing its Christian etymology. Language is constantly evolving (evolve - in the 1828 dictionary).
Are all Christians filled with as much hate and bigotry as the author of this article?It seems so.
Hamman poses the question--then answers his own question (bastardizing Scripture)--in the affirmative, followed by the ingenuine: 'You be the judge.'.There's nothing 'speculative' about that, dezman. No, the reverend clearly reveals his intent--and that is to sway people to his thinking, while exploiting the bible.Using free speech to hurt others may be an option in our society, but not the behavior one expects from a member of the clergy.Through the incredible access of the internet, this man's built an international reputation now as a poster-boy for Worthless Christian Leadership. Beautiful!
The Bible is not a historical text. It's been revised and edited so many times, who really knows what the authors original intent was. And also, who says homosexuals weren't created by nature?
i heart this article... please keep it up rev., as you're only proving all of our points for us... seriously, i couldn't even *think* of a better way to show the absurdity of dogmatic religion than this article... thanks again
The ACTUAL quote from Daniel 11:37, before you mangled it beyond recognition (and yes, there is a Biblical proclamation against doing exactly what you just did): "He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all." Yeah, that REALLY sounds like He's talking about homosexuality AT ALL. It's amazing what ellipses can do to a Bible verse. What dishonest, bigoted tripe. You should be ashamed to call yourself a preacher of the actual Word of God.
Interesting idea. It's certainly possible (though not at all clear). I take issue with your saying that the only time God has destroyed anything was for sodomy (Noah's flood?), but I take less issue with you than with people who don't know what they're talking about blasting on because you reiterate the Bible's condemnation of their or their family members' favorite sin.
THE BIBLE CONDEMS DIVORCE MORE THAN IT CONDEMS HOMOSEXUALS. HOW MANY OF YOU ARE DIVORCED?JESUS SAYS YOU MAY ONLY GET DIVORCED IF THE WIFE HAS BEEN UNFAITHFUL TO HER HUSBAND. AND ONLY THEN.
Why does it seem like there is such a large disparity in between the English-speaking ability of Liberals and of Conservatives?In all of these posts you'll notice the ones with the most liberal stances exhibit the greatest control over their words.My stance is notably left-of-center. I do not quite understand how you could claim the anti-christ will be gay while we have repeatedly viewed in our lifetimes the churches themselves partaking in such acts. This almost seems as though we're being LEAD by the future anti-christs.Be a tad less religious, please.
How can anyone condone an "eternal death" punishment for "sinners"? God will force a soul to suffer great pain ETERNALLY for one thing they did on earth? ETERNALLY. And does God enjoy watching that suffering? God is sick in the head.Imagine if Fundamentalist Christians were in charge and decided to make our judicial system match the Bible? Someone commits a crime, they are subjected to a lifetime of torture and pain?
Thump, thump goes those bibles!
Oh for heaven's sake! And where does Spiderman fit in this cast of imaginary beings?
This is why religion is in decline in every educated country. It has become idiotism.
"It is simply a helper to Christians in perhaps identifying the Antichrist"Um...no...it's pretty clearly hate speech.
Why is it that you forget simple things like love thy neighbor. If this "god" is so hateful why worship it? This belief in this person names "jesus" has been taken out of the historical fact and made by a man, who was Roman, to create a religion. Fear not, there is not an old angry bearded man in the sky who will strike one down.After all, if all his creations are perfect then gay men and women are just that, perfect. But why let hate and bigotry get in the way.
It is more likely that the anti-christ will come from within the church. "beware of wolves in sheep's clothing". The only time Jesus became angry was the profiteers in the church. Many ungodly people have entered the church corrupted by greed, money and profit. Be careful of the hypocrites and Pharisees that are now destroying the love and compassion of Christ and replacing it with the hate and intolerance of the devil
"...when Noah Webster published his first dictionary in 1828, it was not included. This means that homosexuality is a modern word invented to replace the word Noah Webster did include, sodomy, defined as a crime against nature."The word "sodomy" was, and remains in Webster's dictionary today. That being the case, how can you claim that it was replaced by anything? The word "automobile" also had a different definition 50 years ago, simply because cars today are different. It's not historical revisionism - people change, words and meanings evolve. Get over it.
Where have I heard this type of reasoning before? Oh that's right: "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction", just before we invaded Iraq...Hatred and lies flow from the pen, to the tip of a sword...
Oh Lord...who wrote this crap.....? isnt there enough to worry about besides someone else's sex life? I've got gay friends and they are fine....hey, I've also known a few dudes who aren't gay and they are not so fine....so come day of reckoning....we're all in the same boat. Peace and love whatever floats your boat.
"He will be an experienced, awakened being. His very presence will threaten all the establishments of the world. His presence will be a challenge to all that enslaves man and destroys his spirit. His presence will become a great fear in all those who are immensely powerful, but know perfectly well that their power depends on the exploitation of men, on keeping man retarded, on destroying man’s intelligence..."
"It is strange – so strange that it is almost unbelievable – that there are three hundred religions in the world and there is no peace, no joy, no celebration, no holiness, no divineness anywhere – this is such an absurdity! If truth is one, how can there be three hundred religions?Truth is a search, not a faith. It is an inquiry, not a belief.An Authentic Religiousness needs no prophets, no saviors, no churches, no popes, no priests -because religiousness is the flowering of your heart, a quality,not something organized...."
I will remind this lying pastor of one important thing. Some of us out in this vast world have actually read the Bible. The pastor obviously hasn't. Or, he's relying on others to NOT read it. The story of Sodom/Gomorrah has nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality. And the pastor knows it. The pastor's premise is false. Thus, his entire argument is 100% false.Why do Christians constantly have to lie to make their point? Why?
I wonder what standards this newspaper has, who can spread such pious filth. Rid your selves of the cult of the clergy, and read Søren Kierkegaard the greatest theologian & philosopher, for the cult of the clergy spread it's metaphysical sophistry and illusion, while they judge and indirectly proclaim to be demi-gods with their hot-line to the heavens. These snakes in the grass, these Pharisees, serpents and corruptors will one day face God's judgment, and I only hope he will show them mercy.
And also reference to design. Sigh ... how many times must I write this. The "argument to design" ( Not from, since its the effect, not the cause) was beaten down and broken by the philosopher David Hume for almost 300 years ago in the book "Dialogues concerning natural religion"(100 years before Darwin). The philosophers in the US has failed their social obligation to enlighten people, and has allowed such ignorance.
" You be the judge. " Only God, our lord, is the one to judge, not you, you Pharisee! And you have judged over and over. Proclaiming to know the will of God. How arrogant, pompous and at the same time so naive. Such a good example of the cult of the clergy. So hypocritical in the refusal to interpret the old testament, but oh so eager to interpret the book of revelation into our modern context.
It's funny how most Christians prove themselves to be so much unlike Christ as you just did. I feel very sorry for you and those who think like you. I hope one day your god gives you the ability to think a bit more freely.
How weak are these religious people , do you people have no faith in the lord? anti-christ, children story designed to put fear into weak people hearts.Is god so weak in your eyes that he allowed the creation of the anti-christ in the first place?Stop confusing the preaching of power hungry humans to god's laws, they are not the same.
A perfect example of why you should give up Christianity and try some a little less evil instead....
I have never read such non-sense. I am a hardworking, friendly and intelligent homosexual. I support my family, friends and total strangers whenever I can. For years a have taken part in Charity work - everything from helping the homeless to help build water sanitation in Cambodia. Does this sound like the profile of the Anit-Christ. I understand the 'author' of this peice is merely exploring a theory, but surely his time could be better spent. This 'aricle' is complete and utter rubbish.
"Where does Jesus mention homosexuality?" The short answer is: he doesn't. Unless you are from the fire and brimstone strict old testament group of Christians, this will be comprehensible In the Bible, Jesus never mentions implicitly anything regarding homosexuality. He does refer to a catch-all in Mark 7:20-23 including "sexual immorality." Well that's a bit vague but if you are a revisionist I guess you could include homosexuality to further your own bigoted means. Keep in mind in the same verse Jesus also mentions the evils of arrogance and folly.
What is this curious "god" thing you people keep referring to? I have never met or seen anything like that anywhere.Does it actually exist? Show me. Some words in a muddled book won't do.
What ever happened to:- Judge not lest ye be judged- Turn the other cheek- Do unto others as you would have them do unto you? You seem to be desperately searching scripture for tiny details to support your own prejudices. Was Jesus' message not one of love, tolerance and understanding for all?
I am a strong Christian who strives to follow the teachings of Christ in all things. I also have several close friends who are gay. I see no contradiction. As Christ associated with those shunned by the religious establishment of his day I too associate with those who are unjustly persecuted based upon a flawed biblical interpretation. WHAT WOULD JESUS DO??!! Think about it!
My comment is about English usage. In the first paragraph, the author claims that he does not set out "to bolster the political climate". This is not accurate. To bolster something means to support something, to prop it up. You can bolster a particular position, for instance (I think this is the idiom our author is actually searching for.) What might be a better fit would be to inflame the political climate. This example of sloppy English should be embarrassing to the editors of the Frontiersman.
You know, I think I made a good choice when I decided to go after my doctorate in clinical psychology. Just a few more years, and I'll be able to provide high-quality mental health care to dear Pastor Ron and all of his friends. It doesn't matter how bad the economy gets, there will always be crazy people to keep me working, and for that, Ron, I thank you.See you in the psych ward!
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly.
That's some pretty creative scripture quotation there - isn't Daniel 11:37 talking about the king putting himself above the gods worshiped by his fathers, and by women?"He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all."Selectively quoting bits and pieces of bible passages is really not the best way to make a convincing argument.
One day you will meet God, and he will ask you to answer for all the bigotry you preached in his name. I'm ashamed to share the title of "Christian" with a man who would spread hate towards people who were born with a different orientation than himself.
Whooaaa there Mr. Angry Pastorface. Don't be so hateful; it's not nice. Also, do you even know what "verbiage" means, or do you just like to grab random words out of the thesaurus?
In this line of discourse one must avoid the logical fallacy of affirming the consequent. It is important to remember that even if the Antichrist will be a homosexual, that does not make someone the Antichrist just because they are a homosexual.
When I read articles like this, sometimes I think I must be from an alternate dimension. A dimension where reason, logic, and knowledge are valued. Then I was sucked into a wormhole and deposited on a world where people wallow in fear and ignorance. A world where people bash science using technology that is derived from science. A world where our political leaders invoke the name of a fictional deity in order to placate the silly superstitions of the foolish masses. Yeah, so basically I respectfully disagree with Mr. Hamman's article. All of it.
I recently read that the world's supply of bandwidth is dwindling. It's a shame to think some of resource is navigating people here. What a waste of internet.
The author of this article is wrong. The Bible explicitly describes the sin of Sodom:"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy." Ezekiel 16:49Of course, that has nothing to do with sexual orientation, but so little in the Bible actually does.
In all reasonableness, if the Anti-Christ is supposed to be the antithetical opposite of Jesus, he would be hedonistic and hyper-sexual, and would engage in sexual activity regardless of gender, since Christ himself was celibate.
When will Wasila get past the Dark Ages?
Guess what? There isn't even a "THE Antichrist" mentioned ANYWHERE in the Bible!John is the ONLY Bible writer who uses the word "antichrist" in ANY form, and he does NOT use it ANYWHERE in Revelation! He only uses it in two of his three Epistles, NEVER referring to a SPECIFIC person. He says "MANY antichristS" (PLURAL!) and "the SPIRIT OF antichrist," but NEVER "THE Antichrist."The evil ruler of Revelation is called "the BEAST"! If John had meant him to be THE Antichrist, he would've SAID/WRITTEN so.
Sin = activities that lead to death or lead away from life
The 13th-century Jewish scholar Nachmanides wrote, “According to our sages, they were notorious for every evil, but their fate was sealed for their persistence in not supporting the poor and the needy.” His contemporary Rabbenu Yonah expresses the same view: “Scripture attributes their annihilation to their failure to practice tzedakah [charity or justice].” The Book of Wisdom makes reference to the story of Sodom, further emphasizing that their sin had been failing to practice hospitality. Sexual deviation may not have been the catalyst leading to their demise.
I bet this is a fake to drum up web traffic. Some of this is so over the top it doesn't seem believable. Arguing that prostitution is natural!
wow, ever since this got dugg.....Got to get out of Alaska...
"But remember that sodomy is the one sin that God left heaven and came to earth to destroy"What about that great flood that God rained down upon man, was that not God coming to earth to destroy man?I guess the whole world at that time must have been sodomizing each other.Maybe your the Antichrist since you seam to be so violent to your fellow man and committed to destroying them.
The antichrist is that which distracts us from "the way and the path and the light."In other words, the antichrist is modern society itself.That is why in Revelation, the great beast is describes as having risen from a "sea of men."Think about it. Somewhere deep down inside, you know it is true. Your job and your financial and legal obligations and your education and political affiliation and everything else have sucked the soul out of you. Humanity truly is fallen.Your only real hope is to get to know Christ.
There is not one intelligent idea in this article. The religious imagine the end as a horror which vindicates their ignorance. In reality, the real horror is that they exist. In the end, they will pass, they will all be gone with all of their errors and hatred of reason, and none will miss them.
My view: Live and let live. Do these people( homosexuals) hurt you ? I think not. Do they threaten your sexuality ? The Bible was written by men hundreds of years after Christ's death. I am a US of A female raised as a Protestant but it ends there, To me it is about being kind to all people. As in, LEAVE EVERY BODY ALONE AND LIVE YOUR OWN LIFE - BUTT OUT !!!
I think the definition of sodomy -- and even the biblical origin of the word - has been intentionally misinterpreted from its inception. This story was more a reference to the often violent potential within a sexual act (i.e. rape, emasculation), but not the act of homosexuality, intercourse or MTM contact whatsoever. Religions chose to distort it in this fashion. The anti-sodomy laws needed to be struck down -- and the falsely-evolved definition of sodomy should have been challenged and corrected decades ago as well. Intercourse is intercourse, love is love, sodomy is/was rape (by origin of the word, anyway).
Whta we have here is failure to comunicate!From the flim Cool Hand Luke!
Notice that God is no longer coming down from heaven to leave burning rubble when men lie down with men because I am pretty, pretty sure it's going on somewhere near you, and yet no fire from the heavens. So maybe God revised his stance on homosexuality; maybe he realized he was being irrationally unkind. Maybe the author should follow his lead, and be kind and loving which Christ asked for above all else. Kindness.
This man is a lunatic in every sense of the word. Not only is he a bad theologian, a horrendous historian but exhibits some of the most pathetic logic I've seen in a long time. I sure am glad I quite the Baptists a long time ago.
Thank you for a good article. Anytime someone differs from the liberal oppressors agenda to defeat free speech and religion it's called hate. They spew more hatred than any group in the country. The rabid Christophobes are out in force.
Yes, homosexuality is a sin, just like cancer. Mr. Hamman is not only a bigot but a feeble minded putz. The bible is worthless (especially the old testament). My favorite story is Noah's Ark. If you think being gay is a sin, then being so gullible to believe in that crap most certainly is too.
And at what other time have we seen such perversion come out of the closets onto our streets, threatening violence if we do not accept their ways?Seriously, you've seen gay gangs? Methinks acts of violence by homosexuals would probably get a lot of coverage in the U.S. I've only ever heard of violence being propagated the other direction.
JP...LOL...Thank you for the technical definition of sodomy. You never cease to amaze me.
I am a Baptist Christian who just wants to apologize to anyone reading this who gets the idea that this is what scripture actually indicates. This is naked and very gross politics, in religious disguise. I am sad that the message of my savior is regularly profaned by being pulled into hate-filled politics.Additionally, it concerns me that the author of this is a pastor, given the several very basic errors/misunderstandings of scripture included in this article.
Dezman: I am a Christian and Ron Harmon does not speak for me. I am offended by his article. It makes sane and sensible Christians look stupid. It is nothing more than unholy speculation. Most of us Christians don't even believe in the Rapture and to speculate, as he did, was probably a way to get more notoriety. I hope his members find a different church where sane and sensible Christianity is preached and lived.
So, do you have a list of people that you like to demonize through religious bigotry, or do you just have a thing for gay folk?Why do I have the feeling that Jesus would be ashamed of the vile words you are printing in this newspaper in his name?
Judging by the reverend's closing salvo -- "But remember that sodomy is the one sin that God left heaven and came to earth to destroy" -- it's pretty clear the guy doesn't have the slightest idea what the Old Testament parable of Sodom and Gomorrah is actually about. Although he tags this last little bit of Biblical prooftext onto his diatribe as a kind of ad hoc justification for the thesis of his article, the reverend would do well to read the rabbinical writings on the sucject of Sodom and Gomorrah, given the fact that it's a Jewish parable.
Let's discuss Republican values and those of Jesus. Jesus was anti-torture, Republicans are pro-torture. The Prince of Peace was anti-war and Republicans love war and especially profiteering. Jesus was pro-poor and Republicans are anti-poor. Jesus believed in the truth. The Republican Bush administration loved to lie. Jesus was against the death penalty, Republicans are pro death penalty. Jesus never mentioned homosexuality or abortion, Republicans care about stuff Jesus did not, and nothing that Jesus did care about. So if the anti-Christ were an American, he would be a Republican.
If God hates his creation then who is really evil?
Nothing but cherry-picking. What a tissue of lies.
Guys and girls, calm down! This is a speculative article in the newspaper (in the faith section by the way) that is mostly read by church-going people. The only reason any of you read it was because it sounded like something you could reasonably (in your own minds) get offended at. It is simply a helper to Christians in perhaps identifying the Antichrist, that is all. We are Alaskans; he was saying something to his readers and Christians; we can let him talk with free speech. He was most likely answering a question about homosexuality; its just a speculation.
"God, save me from your followers!"
yes Brad they are trying to force, there trying to Force exceptance of a disease..is that to hard to understand, maybe its you trying to force something in someones throat hence forth being why you are so quick to pounce upon my opinion,,,that's what we are here for is it not "opinions"? or do you believe you and you alone should only have a opinion youre way?
I have visited all but 2 states, including Alaska. From what I've learned of your state since Palin emerged... I think I can do without ever visiting such a hopelessly backward and confused place. It looks like Alaskans are ever-careful to protect and preserve their ignorance. "Look at me! I know absolutely nothing except I know what I absolutely believe!" I'm sure Alaska is very beautiful. But I find Alaskans unbearably depressing.
" 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen."Ezekiel seems to think Sodom should have shown more empathy and spread the wealth around.
You didn't capitalize the pronouns that refer to God, i.e. "He Himself hates the gays" or whatever. Is there any greater sin than not capitalizing the pronouns that refer to God? By not doing so, you undermine His importance! You are totally going to burn in the lake of fire for all eternity, dude!
Uhhhh, isn't sodomy still in the dictionary? Where did this guy get that the word homosexuality replaced the word sodomy? He asserts it himself, with no evidence to back up his claim because he believes that homosexuals are "sodomites". It therefore follows that the rest of the article is a moot point and just the blatherings of a lunatic.
Here's quote for you, Rev."The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness Is like a villain with a smiling cheek."Sounds like you've proved that one well enough. Why do you foster such hatred? Have you ever read the bible? Jesus was all about forgiveness and love. When did you lose sight of that?
You just sit in your chair on your fat butt all day thinking up ways to justify your hatreds and fears. There's no such thing as an anti-christ just like there's no such thing as Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. Stop wasting your life being afraid. Go do something useful before you die.
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Please keep these kinds of op-eds coming...the more you talk, the more you damage Republicans, Christians, and Sarah Palin.Bless you!
I don't have much to add, considering the prevailing sentiment of the first 500+ messages. I just came here to salute the trend and help to bring the number of replies closer to 666.
This was HILARIOUS! Though it's not a surprise since this same minister said Israel and Jews are the enemy of the United States and Jews will bring down our country.Funny how Palin's priest wasn't investigated just like OBama's priest was.
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